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Old 01-11-2014, 08:08 PM   #1
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Fresh water leak drips down the side of the drivers side chassis frame about the middle of the drivers side LR slide. The inside floor surface is totally dry everywhere.

I looked underneath the coach below the slide area (where the slide is stowed) and the underside of the floor between the frame members is one-piece aluminum with no tank in sight. Really hard to tell where the leak originates. I do not know the plumbing schematic so don't know where any water lines go, but I would not think there are any in that location on the drivers side.

If I fill the fresh tank till full it leaks down to about 1/4 full indicated on gauge over 5-6 days, leaking water on the ground all the time. I have been careful filling the tank and can't imagine I overfilled it. Water pressure is about 50 psi.

The leak continues even when disconnected from shore water source.

Can someone tell me where the fresh water tank is located? Or if water lines run in that area? Or any ideas of where the leak is?

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Fresh water leak drips down the side of the drivers side chassis frame about the middle of the drivers side LR slide. The inside floor surface is totally dry everywhere.

I looked underneath the coach below the slide area (where the slide is stowed) and the underside of the floor between the frame members is one-piece aluminum with no tank in sight. Really hard to tell where the leak originates. I do not know the plumbing schematic so don't know where any water lines go, but I would not think there are any in that location on the drivers side.

If I fill the fresh tank till full it leaks down to about 1/4 full indicated on gauge over 5-6 days, leaking water on the ground all the time. I have been careful filling the tank and can't imagine I overfilled it. Water pressure is about 50 psi.

The leak continues even when disconnected from shore water source.

Can someone tell me where the fresh water tank is located? Or if water lines run in that area? Or any ideas of where the leak is?

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Sounds exactly like my leak! I have been looking for the leak, for some time! Problem is, that it is somewhere above my diesel fuel tank. The fuel tank is positioned between the "I-beams" of the chassis, so close that I can't see above the tank, and can't get my hand between the tank and the floor above. I don't think the water tank is above the fuel tank, so I think it is a crack in a fresh water line, running above the fuel tank, because the water does drop onto the top and run down the side (curbside) of the fuel tank.

I sent an email to Fleetwood, for a copy of the plumbing diagram, for my 2005 Providence and they sent me one. However, it's not of much use, because the lines are numbered, with no explanation of what the number is. I think the cold water line is white, but I can't be sure. The diagram, shows a water line running from the supply point and terminating above a tank, at the same location as the fuel tank!

I'm thinking that if it is a line, I could find both ends, I could disconnect them and replace the line. Otherwise the fuel tank has to be dropped. A job for the Dealer for sure.
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Not sure where my fuel tank is on mine. Can't imagine it is as far forward as the main slide since the filler is at the license plate area. I think my tank probably sits by itself somewhere.
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Not sure where my fuel tank is on mine. Can't imagine it is as far forward as the main slide since the filler is at the license plate area. I think my tank probably sits by itself somewhere.
If you call Fleetwood Customer Service with your FIN number they can send you the plumbing diagrams for your coach. Good luck!
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My 1996 had the same type of mysterious leak. Found a leak on the lower fitting of the hot water heater, it was emerging about 6 feet from the source. Try turning your bypass valve for the water heater off for a day to see if it stops.
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Fresh water leak drips down the side of the drivers side chassis frame about the middle of the drivers side LR slide. The inside floor surface is totally dry everywhere.

I looked underneath the coach below the slide area (where the slide is stowed) and the underside of the floor between the frame members is one-piece aluminum with no tank in sight. Really hard to tell where the leak originates. I do not know the plumbing schematic so don't know where any water lines go, but I would not think there are any in that location on the drivers side.

If I fill the fresh tank till full it leaks down to about 1/4 full indicated on gauge over 5-6 days, leaking water on the ground all the time. I have been careful filling the tank and can't imagine I overfilled it. Water pressure is about 50 psi.

The leak continues even when disconnected from shore water source.

Can someone tell me where the fresh water tank is located? Or if water lines run in that area? Or any ideas of where the leak is?

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In my 03 Pace Arrow 37A its located one compartment down from the the propane tank compartment.

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FWIW

My water heater is on the opposite side probably 20+ feet from the leak area. Possibly could be the leak area but a brand new water heater was just installed (due to a tire blowout) and the leak started before the the blowout and new heater.

Further, my fresh tank quantity does drop over time without using the fresh water system.
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By "one compartment down" do you mean below or do you mean rearward?

On my 36B the fresh water pump and drain valve is just above the propane tank and the entry door to the MH is just behind the propane basement door. I would think the fresh water tank layout would be the same or similar as yours but I cannot find the tank anywhere.
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You said the leak continues even when the fresh water system is not being used and it drains down to a quarter tank. That being said, I don't think it would be any lines that are leaking. If the pump is not on, there is a check valve at the pump I believe or at least the system is not pressurized. It would stand to reason that the leak would be in the tank itself. Correct?
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You said the leak continues even when the fresh water system is not being used and it drains down to a quarter tank. That being said, I don't think it would be any lines that are leaking. If the pump is not on, there is a check valve at the pump I believe or at least the system is not pressurized. It would stand to reason that the leak would be in the tank itself. Correct?
It would seem so. My leak will continue, until the guage says 1/4 full. However, I can't imagine the water tank, being above the fuel tank. If it was, it would have to be above the sub-floor.
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Fresh water leak drips down the side of the drivers side chassis frame about the middle of the drivers side LR slide. The inside floor surface is totally dry everywhere.

I looked underneath the coach below the slide area (where the slide is stowed) and the underside of the floor between the frame members is one-piece aluminum with no tank in sight. Really hard to tell where the leak originates. I do not know the plumbing schematic so don't know where any water lines go, but I would not think there are any in that location on the drivers side.

If I fill the fresh tank till full it leaks down to about 1/4 full indicated on gauge over 5-6 days, leaking water on the ground all the time. I have been careful filling the tank and can't imagine I overfilled it. Water pressure is about 50 psi.



The leak continues even when disconnected from shore water source.

Can someone tell me where the fresh water tank is located? Or if water lines run in that area? Or any ideas of where the leak is?

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On my 05 36B the fresh water tank is under the floor directly beneath the center of the couch with the main slide in. If your coach has the water pump in the forward compartment just behind the passenger front wheel, you should be able to see part of it from that compartment.
Also, with the main slide extended, from underneath, there is a large metal panel that is screwed to the frame rails and I believe that is the access to the tanks.

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Old 01-14-2014, 10:25 AM   #12
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Thanks for your post. Great idea. That is exactly the area of the leak . . . in fact it drips from the same panel you mention but never thought to take it off to look for the fresh water tank there. I figured the only access to the tank was from the underside of the floor which would require cutting through the metal panel that supports the tank.

I'll try to remove those screws to get the panel off and see what's behind it. Can't imagine there is much room in there to try to repair any fittings/lines/breaks though. And it doesn't seem large enough to remove the tank if that were necessary.

Won't be able to get to that project for a couple of weeks. Have a more important electrical issue I am dealing with right now.

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2003 Pace Arrow 37A Workhorse Fresh water tank: avoiding traffic accident severely applied brakes. inproper mfg. installed fresh water tank caused tank to slide forward breaking drain line and shut off valve which I replaced and returned tank to it's original position and secured it. The tank is leaking, and I cannot draw water from it with the demand pump - pumps sucks air. Appears line from tank to pump damaged or broken. Tank surrounded by corrugated heavy metal to frame except in drain area located in back behind storage compartment between entrance door and propane storage area. Does anyone know how to access the tank so as that I can repair or replace damaged water line ? Will I have to remove interior floor to access tank ?
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I have a 2005 36D. My fresh water is actually stored in two tanks. One is visible from the storage bay to the left of the entry door. On the right side of that tank is a feed that goes to a second tank`that's located behind the steps.
I have no idea how to get to that second tank, looks like it would be a real bear. I can get to the connection between the two, but that's about it. On the other hand, that's all I would NEED to get to unless the tank had a crack/split in it somewhere, and even then, for a stop-gap measure, I could just remove the feed and block off the main tank that feeds the pump. My pump inlet connection is on the left side of the main tank looking in from the storage bay.
Does your tank hold water?

Also, I would call Fleetwood service. Their techline has been very helpful to me in the past, sending plumbing layout, electrical schematics, etc.

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