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Old 07-27-2015, 10:56 AM   #15
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I'm buying a camping potty for emergency use . I would gladly give up a storage bay/bin to a tank for a "drop" toilet.

Thanks for all the great info keep it coming. BTW, I did read (in manual) to add a cup of laundry powder periodically to clean the unit.
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That SurgeGuard is in the second bay from the rear on the passenger side. It is not just a transfer switch. It is in the bay where that small access hole cover with two cables passing through it is located. I use that bay to carry my tools.
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I'm buying a camping potty for emergency use . I would gladly give up a storage bay/bin to a tank for a "drop" toilet.

Thanks for all the great info keep it coming. BTW, I did read (in manual) to add a cup of laundry powder periodically to clean the unit.
So your 2008 has the VacuFlush? I have been wondering how long they have been putting them in Bounders. I don't remember seeing anything about laundry detergent in my manual so I guess I'd better check that out.
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These are not sewage pumps. They should only be called vacuum generators. When you flush, the atmosphere PUSHES the waste all the way to the black tank. That's why you need to hold the pedal down for at least three seconds. It takes the atmosphere that long to travel the length of the pipes replacing the vacuum generated by the system. If you cut the time holding the toilet valve open the waste does not make it to the tank. That's how it works. That word PUMP is what is wrongly used. Which leads me to the next fiasco.

If you have TWO toilets, you are supposed to have TWO "pumps". Why are people here with 35K's only talking about ONE "pump"? I have one toilet in my 33C. Sealand clearly states that on our type systems one pump for one toilet, two pumps for two toilets etc. Why? Because the simultaneous use of two toilets will not allow the atmosphere to push both toilet line contents through the vacuum pump. The pump is plumbed the same size as one toilet waste pipe. Two pipes having their contents forced through one pipe on the vacuum pump makes no sense. You can call Sealand yourselves to test my statement. I have already done so attempting to prove myself wrong.

This elevation problem has got to be related to atmospheric pressure. I'm thinking, the higher you go, the longer the pedal stays down. There has to be less PUSH at higher elevations.

Almost forgot about what I just read concerning cleaning up the mess left behind. Raise the front of the coach manually with your jacks before hosing out the area. I mentioned this earlier as the ridiculous response from the "engineer". You don't want to spread the contagion throughout the area. It's not healthy and probably can't be disinfected completely. Plus there are a bunch of wires under there which flooding cannot do any good.
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on pages 13 and 15 you will find my flush the vacuflush conversion, my new location allows for easy cleanup,easy access,also as you stated the 35k is supposed to have 2 vaccum generators, fleetwood only installs 1,Im sure for cost cutting. The 10 lbs of vaccum is to bring the waste from the toilet to the vaccum generator,then the vaccum generator pushes the waste to the tank,it can pump waste up to 6 ft above the vaccum generator,and draw waste horizionally20 to 30 ft as per specs.I installed in line shut off valves below both toilets to isolate each toilet as necessary, I have not tried flushing both toilets at the same time, have not found it necessary as of yet, not sure I ever will, I do know I will not be adding a 2nd vaccum generator.We run water for a min of 5 to 8 seconds at every flush to help keep system clean. Good luck with your project, and most of all have fun while doing it,the rewards are many.
Vacuum is not measured in lbs. They are not sewage pumps and the way you know this is Sealand sells remote vacuum generators. Sealand says in plain English that the sewage is not pumped at all. I did not say that the 35K is supposed to have two vacuum pumps just that Sealand states that is how their system is designed. Can't imagine two vacuum pumps running at the same time in the middle of the night anyway. Then the bottom line for me is that I don't like the vacuflush idea at all but rather than throw the baby out with the bath water I will attempt to make it more agreeable just as you figured out how to do. I agree with the longer flush times as being a solution overlooked by most.

A nice addition might be a push button flush like my buddy has in his Allegro. Then the act of holding the pedal down the correct amount of time would be eliminated. How many reading this had to teach someone how to use the toilet? Silly huh? Just like all the cruise ships we have been on, push the button to flush with no instructions required.

Let me add: What a great motorhome we bought. Just needs a few home improvements as I call them and I do have fun doing it. Otherwise what would be the point of owning one. If I were dependent upon others to do everything, I'd be an unhappy camper.
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In previous posts I mentioned that my friend Charlie's 2014 Excursion has his vacuflush system as built by Fleetwood in a totally accessible location just as Rapid Rick has done in his modification. Good job.
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I don't remember seeing anything about laundry detergent in my manual so I guess I'd better check that out.
It is in the quick start and storage info
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In previous posts I mentioned that my friend Charlie's 2014 Excursion has his vacuflush system as built by Fleetwood in a totally accessible location just as Rapid Rick has done in his modification. Good job.
I would be thrilled to give up storage space for more convenient access to our vacuflush system. I appreciate info from pro-active owners like Rick and yourself. This is helpful to many of us.
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Thanks! I have been using regular bathroom products to clean the toilet (no bleach!) I wonder what the advantage is to laundry detergent.
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Fleetwood has all the right people to have made this access to a most important component absolutely easy. This is what you do on an Excursion 35B to access your vacuflush system. Open the door and there it is on a shelf with almost no storage space taken up.







For those so inclined here is your inspiration straight from the factory.
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Thanks! I have been using regular bathroom products to clean the toilet (no bleach!) I wonder what the advantage is to laundry detergent.
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We use that foam nice smelling hand soap 1 time per day, one pump helps to keep inside of hoses and vac generatorcleaner, and helps to keep seals clean and rosey smelling. Moving vac generator, single best mod I have done,can now just relax, like woody said,x2, several trips so far no grief, hope I don't jinx myself............ Oh ,Sara, thanx for moving pics, I did not know how to do that, go figure,I can fix vacuflush, but not computer savvy at all.
ps those drop in pouches for your tank are not good for vacuflush unless completely dissolved first...gritty
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Fleetwood has all the right people to have made this access to a most important component absolutely easy. This is what you do on an Excursion 35B to access your vacuflush system. Open the door and there it is on a shelf with almost no storage space taken up.







For those so inclined here is your inspiration straight from the factory.
Looks great, but not so great that I want to trade my Bounder for an Excursion. We actually love our little Bounder. Soooo, I'll be waiting on your pics of the modification you make.

My hubby isn't too keen on doing this himself, so hopefully when equipped with photos (and enough cash) I can get a local RV shop to do this.
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Thanks again.............I have confirmed that my 2012 35K has one "Low profile Vacuum Generator which includes one vacuum pump". This is all one unit and services both toilets. The hose from the Mid toilet is joined under the Bed by the hose from the rear toilet.(A 10" x 10" trap door under the bed allows access). A 1 1/2 inch "Y" joint with clamps is used, then the one line runs to the Vacuum Generator.
I should and can only use one toilet at a time, as the minute you flush one the Red light comes on immediately in the other.
I have rechecked my wiring harness and it would permit the entire Vacuum Generator to be rotated 45 degrees towards where your elbows are laying in the picture. I could then enclose that entire fixture. The rubber shocks that you plan seems like a great idea for noise reduction.
Keep the info coming as sooner or later we will have a system that relaxes the mind and makes repairs easier..........Hopefully Fleetwood will gave some consideration to users who make changes for the better.

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I think you have the situation well in hand. Will make it much easier to separate the piping especially with the rotation of the unit. Nice clean and maybe easy solution. The rubber shocks will be cheaper than buying another pump unit for sure. Like I said before, Fleetwood has many really great ideas and a few not so great. Just like us. It's also very easy to find faults in others. I won't forget the pictures I promised.
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Vacuum is not measured in lbs. They are not sewage pumps and the way you know this is Sealand sells remote vacuum generators. Sealand says in plain English that the sewage is not pumped at all. I did not say that the 35K is supposed to have two vacuum pumps just that Sealand states that is how their system is designed. Can't imagine two vacuum pumps running at the same time in the middle of the night anyway. Then the bottom line for me is that I don't like the vacuflush idea at all but rather than throw the baby out with the bath water I will attempt to make it more agreeable just as you figured out how to do. I agree with the longer flush times as being a solution overlooked by most.

A nice addition might be a push button flush like my buddy has in his Allegro. Then the act of holding the pedal down the correct amount of time would be eliminated. How many reading this had to teach someone how to use the toilet? Silly huh? Just like all the cruise ships we have been on, push the button to flush with no instructions required.

Let me add: What a great motorhome we bought. Just needs a few home improvements as I call them and I do have fun doing it. Otherwise what would be the point of owning one. If I were dependent upon others to do everything, I'd be an unhappy camper.
Woody, you are correct that vaccum is not measured in lbs,I have a bad habit of referring to it that way , mostly because Its the first time for me working with vaccum instead of air pressure, matter of fact I for the life of me can't remember what the h/g measurement stands for. Funny I never thought I would be counting after each flush, one thousand one,one thousand two.......but we do.The longer we own the coach, and make changes ,the more we love it, never would have thought,25 yrs ago I would be doing this,never mind the words "vacuflush",being in my vocabulary,daily,I might add. Hope all goes well with your vac-u-project.
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