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Old 10-24-2016, 07:34 AM   #141
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[QUOTE= to this day the peck valve still does not shut off when connected to water in a park once the tank is full it overflows!
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Not a Bounder, but we had that problem. If you have an Anderson Kantleak water distribution system Anderson will send you for free a new valve that will stop that known problem.
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Old 10-24-2016, 08:21 AM   #142
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"In New York State RVs are included. What is not included is such things as refrigerators, furnaces etc." Yup, they are covered under the statute

But the real problem is the potential anti-trust violations because of the lack of true competition. The "parent" companies have "child" companies which purportedly "compete" with each other, but they walk a very, very fine line.....they stagger the build times of the vehicles, often use the same parts, now own the distributors, have the same features, set prices and then claim they don't talk about that at their meetings.

It has been reported "at least four companies have announced acquisition deals, including Lippert Componentsí acquisition of Spectal Industries, Thorís purchase of Postle Aluminum, Valterraís acquisition of Phoenix Products and Hopkins Manufacturingís purchase of Bell Automotive. (Not to mention Thor buying Jayco recently).

The overall goals of the anti-trust laws are to maintain robust competition, and there isnít any exact line. Unfornuately because of the sheer complexity of the laws and proof, there isnít any set percentage number or any particular factor that determines a violation of the anti-trust laws or the existance of a monopoly.

Enforcement of antitrust and monopoly laws overlap between the Justice Department and the Federal Trade Commission. While difficult for parties outside a deal to identify a potential monopoly or violation without thorough data on the market as a whole, anyone can submit a complaint to the Department of Justice or the Federal Trade Commsiion requesting an investigation. Even if a particular transaction is ultimately "permitted" by the agency, it doesnít mean somebody else canít object to it and request an inverstigation.

The biggest potential for a violation of the antitrust laws pertain to business leaders conspiring or sharing market information. Antitrust laws apply more in the "association world" than anywhere else because the antitrust laws basically say that it is a violation of the law if: (a) you have a group of competitors (the purported "children" of the "parent") getting together, and (b) they talk about collaborating on "pricing".

Maybe someday there will be a recording at one of these "competitors' meetings but even if there is not an actual "recording", the facts necessary to establish a violation of the laws may be demonstrated by circumstanial evidence.

The industry is quite aware of these rules and apparently there are "written" and "verbal" reminders of these rules before any meetings take place where purported "competitors" (Children) gather.

Without any meaningful legal remedy to enforce in the Courts, and any significant money to loose, there are not any incentives for proper build quality which, after all, is the essential subject matter of this tread.

One thing is for certain, the remedy is NOT. and should NOT ever be, to pass along a known defective vehicle to some unwitting victum who may lack the knowledge to appreciate the dangers and defects. Gee, how could someone actually write such a suggestion in a post. Shame on you!
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Old 10-24-2016, 08:42 AM   #143
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BTW, in New York the specific lemon law applicable to RVs as of August 30, 2005 can be found at "McKinney's General Business Law ß 198-a under "Warranties". There are requirements that must be specifically followed one of which is the RV must have been either "purchased" OR is "registered" in New York State if purchased out of state. There are also "time frames" which must be complied with or you are out of luck.

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Old 10-24-2016, 10:06 AM   #144
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We changed the check valve over to a normal one that doesn't have the 45 degree angle, had it fixed twice at the original outlet and they couldn't fix it. Our hot water tank went out after a year due to a faulty weld in the tank but the warranty did cover this so it is fixed. The layout is rather nice wish it was opposing slides in the kitchen and more room by the bed but that's the only complaint there. Fleetwood was very helpful getting some quicker action by the dealer's repair shop.
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Old 10-24-2016, 10:32 AM   #145
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I had a 2014 35K and now have a 2016 35K. The service compartment plumbing is completely different in the two coaches. Your coach does not have the Anderson valve so please don’t get confused. My 2014 coach had the fresh tank filling whenever connected to city water issue. Fleetwoods solution was to replace the water pump and that corrected the issue. The check valve I was referring to is internal to the water pump.
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