RV Trip Planning Discussions

Go Back   iRV2 Forums > THE OWNER'S CORNER FORUMS > Foretravel Owner's Forum
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-06-2019, 08:17 PM   #29
Senior Member
 
saddlesore's Avatar
 
Foretravel Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Home is Where WE PARK IT...
Posts: 4,041
Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbojack View Post
Cooterbrown,

I may be biased since I am on my 4th Foretravel. I have had a motor home for the last 46 years. I have been to the Newman Factory and the Foretravel Factory. I have been all around the different RV almost my whole life. As Valentob stated above there are many differences in quality. As he has stated about the slides, the only other coaches that have the same type of slides as Foretravel are Prevost and Newells, both million + $ coaches.

There are a lot of other quality items that are not noticeable right off. Once you are in a Foretravel for some time and then go in other coaches you can notice the difference in quality. The other day I was looking at the hinge for the bathroom door. It was a piano hinge that went from the top to the bottom with screws in all of the holes. I do not remember what Newmar uses but I was in a friends late model SOB coach awhile back and his hinges are like in a home.
I concur....Function and quality surpasses bling that is used to hide the deficiencies and substandard (as compaired to Foretravel/Newell/Prevost conversions) Quality components and Quality Controls of build......
__________________

__________________
Foretravel with tag axle.
retired truckdriver with 5m miles
Home is Wherever We Park It.
saddlesore is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 06-08-2019, 11:44 AM   #30
Senior Member
 
Smitty77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Over the next hill, around the next curve...
Posts: 4,318
I have no horse in this race! But I did, and still do, follow Foretravel closely, as well as Newmar - as I had the FT U295 and U320, and the Newmar Dutch Star and Mountain Aire on our short list while shopping (Amongst others too!.

No question the IC-37 is a better quality, and component'ed RV vs the New Aire. I prefer the K2 over the FL, the 150 vs 90 Gallon fuel tank, larger holding tanks, and who could not like the attention to detail on the slide corners, and the air bladder seals are much better for keeping out the elements then contact slide seals. But, the New Aire was purposely built to meet a specific price range, and it is a nice package with lots of good features. IMO, more appropriate for RV Park to RV Park with usage, with occasional boon docking capabilities. The 35' floor plan, and possibly a 37-38' floor plan option in the future (Though some scuttlebutt of either Dutch Star or Mountain Aire or both, having smaller Non Tag coaches in that range. (As accurate as the internet makes all things - wait and see!!)).

IMO, both the New Aire and IC-37 have a readily, almost pent up demand, group of potential buyers. Again internet lore, but three main groups: 1) Those coming off the road from Full Timing, and looking for a little smaller rig to use in shorter trip length mode; 2) A group of the higher end Class B's (Both Mercedes based, but also think about the Old Born Free type crowd too, that are shifting to Full Timing, or more extended traveling lengths, and want more room; 3) The ongoing group of Baby Boomer's entering RV'ing for the first time. I know from both people I grew up with, those I worked with, and those who contact me offline from various RV boards - that some feel 40-45' is just too big! (I don't agree, but they have that perception.). Many feel the sub 40' length RV's are friendly to the environment, which means a lot to a certain group of buyers.

One more observation, is that I believe Newmar heard and listened to their core customers, who felt that Newmar had slowly slid down the slope of higher quality building techniques. Not exact, but I got the impression that say 2011-2015/6 - that Newmar's attention to detail during the build process slipped some. They had new staff, and newer designs with start up problems, and some of the components chosen were less then upper or top quality choices. They were trying to meet a certain price point, and labor and parts costs are part of that formula. I believe Newmar has done a good job on doubling down on improving quality 'during' the build process, vs 'inspecting' it in after the fact... Perfect? Nope, but getting back to the say late 90's up thru say 2004 era where they put out a good built coach, with better material and component choices - even in their lower level DP's. (All of that is IMHO, and based upon reading various forums, and talking to Newmar coach owners...).

So I feel that Foretravel and Newmar, at two different price points these coaches come in at, will both have solid enough demand to have warranted the R&D costs to bring these two models into their line up.

Opinions will vary, and best to all,
Smitty
__________________

__________________
Roo II is our 04 Country Coach Allure 40'
OnDRoad for The JRNY! Enjoy life...
Smitty77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2019, 01:45 PM   #31
Senior Member
 
Smitty77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Over the next hill, around the next curve...
Posts: 4,318
Was interrupted in my 'brief' previous post(?) by a phone call. Was taking a walk after I posted, and thought about 'Did I say Dutch Star?' - when talking about the rumor mills of Newmar bringing more of the Luxury Line down into the sub 40' range. I meant to say Mountain Aire and London Aire... As Newmar does have the Dutch Star 37XX series too. Brain fart when I started back up!

And I also meant to point out that when you visit the Newmar website, they have the New Aire in their Diesel Pusher lineup of models, not in their Luxury models line up.

Just more 'Hmmmm' info!
Best to all,
Smitty
__________________
Roo II is our 04 Country Coach Allure 40'
OnDRoad for The JRNY! Enjoy life...
Smitty77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2019, 07:46 PM   #32
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post

And I also meant to point out that when you visit the Newmar website, they have the New Aire in their Diesel Pusher lineup of models, not in their Luxury models line up.

Smitty


I believe the 2020 New Aire is now grouped in their Luxury line rather than as a diesel pusher like the 2018 and 2019 were...
stemplar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2019, 09:26 AM   #33
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 11
The problem is that Foretravel has priced this unit the same or more than a 2020 Mountain Aire ? 40í - 12L 500HP - tag axle - Iím not seeing the quality difference to justify that kind of premium - in my opinion that dog wonít hunt at the price point they are after -
Cooterbrown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2019, 09:59 PM   #34
Senior Member
 
saddlesore's Avatar
 
Foretravel Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Home is Where WE PARK IT...
Posts: 4,041
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterbrown View Post
- I’m not seeing the quality difference to justify that kind of premium - in my opinion that dog won’t hunt at the price point they are after -
Haven't spent much time in a Foretravel/Newell/Prevost conversion I gather from your response.
The differences are not immediately apparent when doing a quick walk thru.
ie:air bladder seal for the slide outs (and the solid enclosure that the slide mechanism(s) not are not exposed to the elements or have sharp edges)
And a lot of other items that are not noticed until well after purchase/usages.
I also noticed that you do not list what Make/model of RV you currently own..
You "might" want to add this info to your postings "tag line"
__________________
Foretravel with tag axle.
retired truckdriver with 5m miles
Home is Wherever We Park It.
saddlesore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2019, 10:37 PM   #35
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 1,213
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterbrown View Post
The problem is that Foretravel has priced this unit the same or more than a 2020 Mountain Aire ? 40’ - 12L 500HP - tag axle - I’m not seeing the quality difference to justify that kind of premium - in my opinion that dog won’t hunt at the price point they are after -
Yes but some are just not happy with a 40 ft tag, would rather have a shorter, single rear axle coach. From what I see, list price on the Newmar is close to $80000 more? But as mentioned, the small details make the difference, slide design and quality is one of the factors. A lot of 90's Foretravels still on the road, should tell you something. And look at the difference in resale between a 2000 Newmar and a 2000 Foretravel, also a good indicator.
__________________
Foretravel tag axle 40 ft. 500 hp/1550 ft/lbs ism 1455 watts on the roof. 600 a/h's lithium down below.
jcussen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2019, 04:06 PM   #36
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 11
Thanks for the response didnít mean to rile anyone up - we sold last year our 2014 Tiffin Allegro Bus 37AP - we liked the coach and are looking to replace - have only really looked at Newmar but the 37í Foretravel intrigued me until I saw the price - transaction price is 470K - nice unit Iím sure the slide set up is stout and overall build is nice quality - not enough to overcome a 12L 500HP 40í tag axle Mountain Aire at the same transactional price list = 660k buy for 462k -
Respect Foretravel and wish them well with this product line but itís different than the 45í big boys -
Cooterbrown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2019, 05:04 PM   #37
Senior Member
 
Smitty77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Over the next hill, around the next curve...
Posts: 4,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterbrown View Post
Thanks for the response didnít mean to rile anyone up - we sold last year our 2014 Tiffin Allegro Bus 37AP - we liked the coach and are looking to replace - have only really looked at Newmar but the 37í Foretravel intrigued me until I saw the price - transaction price is 470K - nice unit Iím sure the slide set up is stout and overall build is nice quality - not enough to overcome a 12L 500HP 40í tag axle Mountain Aire at the same transactional price list = 660k buy for 462k -
Respect Foretravel and wish them well with this product line but itís different than the 45í big boys -
Understand your thought process... Heck, as a certain Service Manager in Junction City keeps telling my wife, who has a 'max size' of 42' for any coach hunting "It's only 3'!" - moving to a 45'. (And, 37' - 40' "Is only 3' too!".

But IMO, we're seeing a good volume of current and prospective RV owner's - that really value the shorter higher quality RV's. Class B's, say like a Unity as just one example, higher end B's are too small. The only C I can think of today, would be a Lazy Daze - and while very nice, I don't put them in the same combo of luxury and quality as the Newmar New Aire and or IC37.

Buying older, you have to drop back to a very small volume of say Country Coaches, from 32-37' of length, and I think Foretravel also had a sub 40', but not sure of the model and year(s) (Saddlesore will most likely know.).

Were, are, Foretravel's perfect? Of course not, they have their problems like any other coach. But look at the weight of a 40' Newmar, I believe they had a few years of the Essex in 40'(?) and of course you mentioned Moutnain Aire, which was typically the entry level of the Luxury Model line for Newmar. Look up an of their dry weights, and compare them to a 40' Foretravel. To be more fair, say a 2002-2004 area of the Newmar's, and the Foretravel U320. (Attempt to keep the number of slides the same. If not, SWAG about 500lbs or so for each differences in slides, + or -.... You will find that the Foretravel's have a higher weight then the Newmar's... Does that mean higher quality in itself, nope, but it does mean higher structural strength in the combination of chassis and house build. And stronger chassis and house build, tend to yield longer lasting and more comfortable handling coaches...

I mentioned on I think this thread, perhaps it was a Newmar thread, that I got to walk thru from Dutch Star up thru London Aire models at a mini RV show at Oregon's Pacific Shores RV Motor Coach Resort. No Essex's were at this, but they did have several DS's, and MA's and LA's. Combo's of Spartan and Freightliner chassis. They also had one 33' New Aire. My wife and I both really liked many of the items in the New Aire's interior design. Surprising amount of room, comfort and acceptable levels of storage. And with the 35' adding the ISL, well I think that's a plus (Even with lower CCC then then the 33' with the ISB.). Jake Compression more so then Power, but got to think of the grins the Power to Weight ratio will bring with a 450HP engine in a 35' coach!

One thing my wife and I both commented on, as well as two couples from the park that had joined us (They had been over the evening before into our bottom of the then CC Luxury line, 04 40' Allure...), was the seemingly flimsy feeling of closing doors, and drawers. While a beautiful interior design, floor ing was nice too, the materials on the dash looked like they'd rattle even while parked... (Maybe not fair, but certainly a lighter gauge plastic...). One of the couples were in the hunt for a new used RV, going from a F53 Chassis Mountain Aire that they had been given from one of their parents. That they'd enjoyed using for shorter trips while still working. But moving into retirement in a few months, they wanted a 40-43' DP with Tag's for retirement living and traveling. So they'd started talking with the other couple first, who have 2006 42' Magna, and wanted to contrast it with our older and easier 04 Allure. This couple hunting for a coach, both commented that none of the Newmar's of the era at this mini show (2018-2019 models) - had as solid of woodworking and hardware as the two Country Coaches had. And, they felt their older gas power Mountain Aire, had better quality of wood, with higher craftsmanship, then even the London Aire... (I did note the London Aire had thicker wood cabinet doors then the other Newmar's being shown. And I think it is the 'feel' of the hardware while closing that feels not as substantial, and makes a lighter sounding closing noise - that was why they felt that way. But no excuse for a very high up the food chain Newmar, and expensive, to have had the poor fit and finished seen. Floor molding, poor wood finish in some areas, etc... This coach I hope was an 'escape' - and is not representative of their quality upon finish build.

OK, info rambling off... OP, if considering a smaller coach, take a look at the Newmar New Aire... Lower priced then the IC37. And heck, I want to give credit to the Newmar line for a two things. They will still allow some customizations and crossing of material and flooring choices between model lines on new orders. And, they almost all have the emergency escape, now with a step down too, usually in the bathroom area... Of course no one wants to need to do an emergency escape - but both my wife and I like that escape door in the rear close to sleeping quarters!!

Best to all,
Smitty
__________________
Roo II is our 04 Country Coach Allure 40'
OnDRoad for The JRNY! Enjoy life...
Smitty77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2019, 09:49 PM   #38
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 1,213
Foretravel made 36 footers for almost their entire history up to 05 or so. Very early models could be 29 ft. For me the 97 to 2004 34 ft models were some of the best short coaches made. Only made in the lower 270 trim, the chassis were the same quality as the longer coaches, The 2001-2 had the ISC 350 and later models the ISL 400. Great power to weight ratio.
Real hard to find as Foretravel made few of them, and expect to pay a premium for one in good condition.
Foretravel brochures, specifications and manuals Information Links
__________________

__________________
Foretravel tag axle 40 ft. 500 hp/1550 ft/lbs ism 1455 watts on the roof. 600 a/h's lithium down below.
jcussen is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
travel



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Foretravel :: 0 Foretravel U320 Jaxon iRV2 Owners Registry 0 07-05-2018 05:14 PM
Foretravel U320 :: 2000 Foretravel U320 opeltwin iRV2 Owners Registry 0 02-11-2018 07:51 PM
Foretravel :: 1999 Foretravel U320 Sailor Sue iRV2 Owners Registry 0 11-26-2017 02:26 PM
Foretravel or not to foretravel garycz Foretravel Owner's Forum 29 06-22-2012 08:43 AM

» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.