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Old 04-26-2015, 10:50 PM   #85
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Mr_D, think i have them turned on now
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Old 05-23-2015, 07:29 PM   #86
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OK, folks my LAST post on this unless it's to answer direct questions!

More info has come to light that totally leaves Premier out of it!! Cummins says the moisture is normal for a unit sitting and the iron (rust) would come from internal components rusting (a very good reason to change the oil just before storing it for the winter!).
Also, the oil filter was changed and no metal particles/shavings were found in it.
So, even with the oil report and a going over at Cummins it STILL would not have been an indication of pending problems!!
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Mr. D,

Just to clarify...are you saying the failure was a result of the engine largely sitting for long periods of time ~ enough to develop rust within the engine that directly lead to the failure?

Or was that some other aspect that didn't cause the problem?
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Nope, that was just the reason the oil sample had the reading they did.

This one specific era of the ISX (very narrow range) can drop a valve due to a design problem that did not come up in R&D. They, Cummins, have a fix for it now, that can cost close or North of $10K. Which would still be cheaper then if the valve drops and takes out other engine components, as in the case for Mr D.

A bunch of posts on this thread, and others who have different rigs with the same problem - with usually several stating that Cummins should step up and resolve this problem proactively. Yeah, they're doing the legal thing - once the engine is past warranty, by not fixing damaged units on their dime. But, what is legal and what is right, are two different things. And doing just what is legal, will nudge buyers away from Cummins powered coaches, if other options exists. It's a pay an fix now by doing the right thing. Or lose even more money moving forward due to lost demand for Cummins.

Just my opinion.

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I'm thinking it may only drop demand for the ISX.
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I'm thinking it may only drop demand for the ISX.
Very possible. But my point was as Cummins seems to have shifted it's culture some in the last decade. They had earned a great reputation by stepping up and taking care of mistakes when they would pop up from time to time.

Not knocking any company that has a mistake that only time and usage would reveal. In the past, Cummins would go out of their way to do the right thing. At least so the lore of the stories I'd heard went. Now? It seems they will not own up to impacting customers that have an engine with a problem that Cummins has direct responsibility for. This era of ISX is one example, and the ISL wrist pins is another. Both of these, have financial impact on resale, and possibly worst, expensive repairs.

If this trend continues, demand could be reduced, and rightfully so. All IMO.

Ok for others to have their own opinions. And please don't get me wrong. Cummins is a great company, and I hope this is not an ongoing direction.

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K. What replaces Cummins?
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K. What replaces Cummins?
So far, nothing!
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Very possible. But my point was as Cummins seems to have shifted it's culture some in the last decade. They had earned a great reputation by stepping up and taking care of mistakes when they would pop up from time to time.

Not knocking any company that has a mistake that only time and usage would reveal. In the past, Cummins would go out of their way to do the right thing. At least so the lore of the stories I'd heard went. Now? It seems they will not own up to impacting customers that have an engine with a problem that Cummins has direct responsibility for. This era of ISX is one example, and the ISL wrist pins is another. Both of these, have financial impact on resale, and possibly worst, expensive repairs.

If this trend continues, demand could be reduced, and rightfully so. All IMO.

Ok for others to have their own opinions. And please don't get me wrong. Cummins is a great company, and I hope this is not an ongoing direction.

Best to all,
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At least with the ISL they did step up and fix them as well as take responsibility for later (2nd/3rd owners) and being out of warranty time/mileage. They haven't done that with the ISX.
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