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Old 06-07-2013, 02:47 PM   #1
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Axle weights, few questions

Stopped at a Pilot today and pulled onto the CAT scales. Actual weights as follows:

steer axle........14,000; GAWR is 14,200.

drive axle........17,240; GAWR is 20,000.

tag................12,100; GAWR is 11,000.

OK, not sure how accurate these weights are and still want to get VDOT to do actual wheel weights with their portable scales.

However, I am only 200 lbs below max for the steer axle which is surprising. I had already tried to arrange my storage bays so my heavier items were as close to the drive axle as possible.

The tag is really surprising. According to the sticker in the coach, tag axle GAWR is 11,000 lbs so, according to the data from this weigh, I am 1,100 lbs over weight on the tag. I don't see how that is since the drive axle is 2,700 lbs under max. There is no storage over the tag that I can impact other than what is in the bedroom....which isn't that much.

The weigh ticket refers to the 'trailer axle' as 12,100 so I wonder if that weight includes the CR-V which would be about 3,500. It that is the case, I really only have about 8,600 on the tag.

Curious how these match others with similar set up.
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Old 06-07-2013, 03:28 PM   #2
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Stopped at a Pilot today and pulled onto the CAT scales. Actual weights as follows:

steer axle........14,000; GAWR is 14,200.

drive axle........17,240; GAWR is 20,000.

tag................12,100; GAWR is 11,000.

OK, not sure how accurate these weights are and still want to get VDOT to do actual wheel weights with their portable scales.

However, I am only 200 lbs below max for the steer axle which is surprising. I had already tried to arrange my storage bays so my heavier items were as close to the drive axle as possible.

The tag is really surprising. According to the sticker in the coach, tag axle GAWR is 11,000 lbs so, according to the data from this weigh, I am 1,100 lbs over weight on the tag. I don't see how that is since the drive axle is 2,700 lbs under max. There is no storage over the tag that I can impact other than what is in the bedroom....which isn't that much.

The weigh ticket refers to the 'trailer axle' as 12,100 so I wonder if that weight includes the CR-V which would be about 3,500. It that is the case, I really only have about 8,600 on the tag.

Curious how these match others with similar set up.
I don't know CCs procedure but there should be an air adjustment for the tag axle. If you back off the pressure on the tag, you will not only get some weight off the tag, you will shift some off the steer axle also. If the CR-V was on the scale segment then the tag weight includes the toad.
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Maybe the ride height needs to be adjusted on the drive axle.
To take weight off the tag, unless the tag air bags are adjustable.
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Stopped at a Pilot today and pulled onto the CAT scales. Actual weights as follows:

steer axle........14,000; GAWR is 14,200.

drive axle........17,240; GAWR is 20,000.

tag................12,100; GAWR is 11,000.

OK, not sure how accurate these weights are and still want to get VDOT to do actual wheel weights with their portable scales.
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The weigh ticket refers to the 'trailer axle' as 12,100 so I wonder if that weight includes the CR-V which would be about 3,500. It that is the case, I really only have about 8,600 on the tag.

Curious how these match others with similar set up.
The only way to Know if the CRV is in that 12,100 amount is to unhook it and get weighed without it.
I'd almost bet the 3500 CRV weight is in that 12.1K The way those scales are set up.
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The only way to Know if the CRV is in that 12,100 amount is to unhook it and get weighed without it.
I'd almost bet the 3500 CRV weight is in that 12.1K The way those scales are set up.
That is the plan. Coach sits level and just cannot see how the drive axle can be well under the max and tag axle over. If coach was sitting 'tail heavy' maybe.
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That is the plan. Coach sits level and just cannot see how the drive axle can be well under the max and tag axle over. If coach was sitting 'tail heavy' maybe.
A DP with air suspension will not sit "tail heavy" due to the ride height valves. I think CC's Dynomax chassis is set up with 2 ride height valves on the drive axle and one on the steer axle. The tag axle is then set up to pick up some of the load by adjusting the down force on the tag axle air bags. More pressure will add weight to the tag and the steer and take it off the drive axle. Less pressure will take weight off the tag and steer axle and increase the weight on the drive axle.
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A DP with air suspension will not sit "tail heavy" due to the ride height valves. I think CC's Dynomax chassis is set up with 2 ride height valves on the drive axle and one on the steer axle. The tag axle is then set up to pick up some of the load by adjusting the down force on the tag axle air bags. More pressure will add weight to the tag and the steer and take it off the drive axle. Less pressure will take weight off the tag and steer axle and increase the weight on the drive axle.
Steve, I plan to re-weigh the coach without the toad. If I get the same results, will investigate if there is a way to adjust the down pressure on the tag. I can raise the tag during slow tight turns with a switch on the dash.
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Steve, I plan to re-weigh the coach without the toad. If I get the same results, will investigate if there is a way to adjust the down pressure on the tag. I can raise the tag during slow tight turns with a switch on the dash.
You'll get it noodled out. You're in a beautiful part of the country. I've stayed at the Thousand Trails over in Gladys on a couple of occasions. We're going to spend a week up in Front Royal with our best friends and travel buddies in July & we haven't decided on a route south yet so we might come down that way again. Loved the D Day Memorial.
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UPDATE: Virginia DMV weight enforcement fellow met me today and used portable scales to weigh the coach (I now have individual wheel position weights).

Front axle: 13,775

Drive axle: 17,125

Tag axle: 8,725

All of these weights are under maximum GAWR even though the front is really close to the 14,200 GAWR.

I now know that the toad weight was included in my previous tag axle weight.
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