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Old 09-22-2017, 09:18 PM   #1
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Concept towing capacity -- Gillig Chassis

So this has opened up a debate in my mind. Our coach has a (per the manual) #3500 towing capacity with a tongue wt of only #250

The Gillig chassis is one of the most overbuilt chassis out there so why the super low towing?
Is it limited by tires, axle, transmission, brakes, her big a$$ hanging out there without support?

I am just curious, I have seen that several people tow heavy with this chassis but I would never want to get in an accident because I was overweight. I also know the 90's beavers had the same chassis and similarly low towing. I don't get it and have been told the CC just did not document as well but then why the #250 tongue weight. Seems pretty specific
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Only CC can tell you and probably no one there now knows anymore, plus the old records were lost in the transition to Winnie ownership.
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Hopefully other vintage Concept owners will have some info for you. Or, perhaps a call to Gillig(?) could provide some inside. (Though hard, as no way they should be expected to know how much weight CC put on their chassis for your specific Concept... But, perhaps some 'ranges' to consider?).

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Our 1995 Affinity had a Gillig chassis, and the towing capacity was 6,000 pounds.
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Where the records really lost or maybe just moved to a different location?
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So this has opened up a debate in my mind. Our coach has a (per the manual) #3500 towing capacity with a tongue wt of only #250

The Gillig chassis is one of the most overbuilt chassis out there so why the super low towing?
Is it limited by tires, axle, transmission, brakes, her big a$$ hanging out there without support?

I am just curious, I have seen that several people tow heavy with this chassis but I would never want to get in an accident because I was overweight. I also know the 90's beavers had the same chassis and similarly low towing. I don't get it and have been told the CC just did not document as well but then why the #250 tongue weight. Seems pretty specific
I don't know why they did it or claim that weight.( maybe its a power thing? ) Im looking forward to getting under mine and looking at how they installed the hitch supports. I will be beefing mine up to insure I am safe to tow my race car. Its nice that this came up because I had no idea this was the case. Shame on me for not looking into this closer
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Our 1995 Affinity had a Gillig chassis, and the towing capacity was 6,000 pounds.
Our 1995 Magna single axle has a 7,000 towing capacity per the CC manual.

The hitch is rated at 6,500 lbs as I recall.

I would guess that the Concept is a lot heavier than our 31,000 lbs on a similar chassis. Any excess weight would subtract from our imputed 38,000 GVCWR.
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I have been still thinking on this and the 4 speed transmission and or I also think the weight rating of the rear axle is limiting. Our coach is 31000 loaded
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Allison says tranny is limited at only 80k with a combined gvwr of 130k so the tranny don't care and the motor is used in dump trucks so that is certainly not the limiting factor.
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We had an old Airstream MH and the towing was rated by the type of hitch installed. Look under and see if it's tied into the frame or just a bumper hitch.

We had ours tied into the frame so we could tow.
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maybe the air bags cant handle the extra weight?
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Concept towing capacity -- Gillig Chassis

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maybe the air bags cant handle the extra weight?


With regard to the airbags I doubt that is the case as that would only affect the tongue weight limitation (vertical component) and not the 3500# tow limitation (horizontal). My best guess is that the relatively low limits are a combination of the fact that the Allison 747 transmission is only a 4 speed and that back in the late 80's and early 90's tow ratings weren't as important to the consumer as it is now and as a result CC just gave it a basic tow rating. They probably didn't expect people to really tow much, if anything, at the time. I don't think towing a vehicle (TOAD) was nearly as common back then and CC probably didn't see the marketing need to jump through any additional hoops to get a higher certified rating. I'm confident neither the frame nor the engine are reasons for the low tow weight limitation as both were used in much higher weight applications as pointed out by cntrylife. Remember, the Gillig chassis was a bus chassis adapted to a RV/motorcoach application. I haven't seen any school or city buses towing anything.
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I have a Gillig chassis under my Beaver. The original hitch was poorly done from the factory with a 3500 lb rating. Upon inspection I had a custom hitch built and installed to be to tow my 24' enclosed car trailer. Fully loaded with trailer attached I am still under my RV's GCVWR by a thousand pounds or so. Glenn Leaver's posts in the Fleetwood forum ( American coach area) has a pdf provided by Gillig of a heavy hitch for these chassis. He has upgraded his also.

The biggest issue is that you stay under the GCVWR of the chassis.

My original hitch was a joke and I would not have trusted it to tow anything behind the bus.
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File Type: pdf 10k hitch 2 gillig.pdf (385.7 KB, 8 views)
File Type: pdf 40-33891 gillig 3.pdf (26.7 KB, 8 views)
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I have a Gillig chassis under my Beaver.


Great Information! Thanks for posting.
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