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05-04-2018, 04:27 PM
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#43
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Well....daymn............. If you fix it all.. then just run the wheels off of it for the next 10 years or more, ie: wear everything else out....otherwise you really take it in the shorts.
Is there any chance of recourse at the seller?
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05-04-2018, 05:54 PM
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#44
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Great way to put it.
We are looking into whether there is recourse but we don’t think so.
Yes we could probably fix it all and drive the wheels off for the next 10 years. 10 years was the plan. Is it better to fix his one? I would have to have some confidence that is the right thing to do and the walls don’t just fall off. Our plan was for this to be our last motorhome. Selling our Newmar will now have to be the recovery plan we hope. Or we keep Newmar for now, fix the other and sell it. I won’t know until Monday now when we will get the rest of the information. The owner at the shop had some close relation deaths this week so things are delayed. At least this is not a person or a health issue.
The roof damage cover up / bad repair is very disconcerting to me on top of the delamination. Unreal in my eyes and we are not newbies to this. I have to get over the WOW. and stop beating myself up. and move forward.
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2007 Newmar Dutch Star 4035
2013 GMC Yukon XL
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05-04-2018, 07:18 PM
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#45
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I feel for you guys. I would surely look into the possibility of getting something from the prior owner.
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05-05-2018, 08:52 AM
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#46
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Thank you. We will definitely pursue.
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2013 GMC Yukon XL
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05-05-2018, 09:16 AM
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Senior Member
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If the sale was a normal used, as is sale, there is very little recourse unless you can prove intent to defraud. Although that varies by state. At least worth checking into.
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05-06-2018, 06:39 AM
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#48
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Agree. But doesn’t hurt to try.
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05-06-2018, 06:01 PM
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Reading this makes me sick, and I really feel for you. If the prior owner had it for some time he knew about this. I would take the estimate and forward it to them and ask for half the cost that is not covered by insurance. Then I would still sell the Newmar, and drive the Allure for at least a few years. Then if you decided to sell, it can be for other reasons then what you are dealing with now. But I don’t know the overall condition of the coach. So, I am just assuming it’s in good shape otherwise.
Best of luck,
Brett
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05-07-2018, 10:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bneukam
Reading this makes me sick, and I really feel for you. If the prior owner had it for some time he knew about this. I would take the estimate and forward it to them and ask for half the cost that is not covered by insurance. Then I would still sell the Newmar, and drive the Allure for at least a few years. Then if you decided to sell, it can be for other reasons then what you are dealing with now. But I don’t know the overall condition of the coach. So, I am just assuming it’s in good shape otherwise.
Best of luck,
Brett
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It is sickening isn’t it? Yes prior owner had this coach for 8 years and they bought off a reputable dealer. I don’t think it had these issues then. We wanted to get about 10 years out of this coach with the right care and of course, we thought and were told the condition was much different than it is. We were aware of a few issues that needed fixing (i.e. a few fogged windows) and were willing to do those but not delam! We shall see once full estimate comes through on what our next steps are. I hope to know later today.
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05-08-2018, 10:20 AM
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#51
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I feel for you!!
Does not hurt to ask the previous owner for help.
Unless they specifically lied to you, and even then - probably not - this a used vehicle purchase. Buyer beware situation.
When in doubt, qualified independent inspection is a good investment. (Not for you now, of course, but could help another buyer in the future !)
I agree with getting the coach fixed, and then go use it for awhile - and make a final decision to keep it or sell it.
Last bit of input. Don't kick yourself over this anymore. It happened. Look at it as an expensive life lesson - and keep as positive an attitude as possible while moving forward. Don't allow this situation to get you so emotionally distressed, that it eats into either of yours health.
And sure not trying to preach at you!! And wish you nothing but the best, and of course as painless as possible correction of the problems. (And on a positive note. If you're spending this kind of money to fix things up, toss in a bit more and make any cosmetic or interior modifications/upgrades now - it will pay back in enjoyment of the coach ahead.
Smitty
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05-09-2018, 05:42 AM
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Totally agree with your points.
Yes there was a point that they lied - I won’t get into it too much here.
Yes we did try to get independent inspection. Highly recommend folks do! My husband owns an automotive repair business and recommends that always on autos. We just couldn’t find anyone near this place. We tried to do the inspection based on our past knowledge and we even pointed out one spot we thought was delam - the owner talked us out of it! Lorn behold that is one of the spots of delam. We feel duped and scammed.
Anyway - we are still in the process of getting all the numbers - easily could go over $50K - hope not but we shall see. Once I have the full quote - will go back to previous owners on the delam and roof issue/cover up which is the biggest chunk of the repairs. Some of the other stuff we knew and we accepted.
Thank you for your input. Other viewpoints always welcomed.
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2013 GMC Yukon XL
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05-10-2018, 02:08 PM
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What would scrap value of this coach be? Or blow out deal?
Okay so all the numbers are coming in now and no work has started. Without the nice to haves ($5K) we are at $46K to $56K on this coach to get to a point it is useable.
This includes
Fix a bad roof repair that is probably the source of water damage.
Right side coach delamination
Tile floor owner installed is too high - causing problems with the slide - needs to be taken out - rug going back in.
Repair all slide out seals
Reseal all roof joints
Adjust all slides and repairs as needed (still parts to be quoted)
Repair some bubbling paint
Fix the entrance door lock
All new tires (which we knew)
We still have some other diagnostics to do and a couple fogged windows so price will only go up and get over $60000!
So with that - what would you do? Other than the obvious - going back to previous owners. Title transfer on this coach took place - 2 weeks ago - I had coach in my possession for 2 weeks and it has been at a shop now for 1.5 weeks.
Some have said fix it and drive it - do 1 fun thing to it (can’t afford to do the fun stuff I wanted unfortunately) and the last thing I wanted was to put carpet back in.
I do owe a good amount of money on it and even though the loan was well under NADA - I also know this coach has almost no value. You wouldn’t think that just looking at it in the pics - but reality is - the value is now low or maybe blow out to a scrap yard for parts - engine, wheels, appliances, the good windows etc.
Or would a dealer take both my MHs in trade for another newer MH? Still not great financially but I get rid of this thing. i don’t know.
We just continue to be blown away that the numbers just keep going up. Where does it end? Hard pill to swallow. If we can blow it out for something or dealer would take in trade - I’ll just take the cash - pay the rest of the loan and call it a really bad mistake. It might be less than fixing it and just start the heck over or get a tent! Others thoughts?
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05-10-2018, 06:17 PM
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#54
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What a dilemma. While it would seem obvious that the prior owner should have known about the roof damage, water leaks, delamination, it would be on you to prove that he knowingly withheld information to sell the rig. He could have had someone repair the roof and thought it was done right. The fact that he seemed to insist that the bulge you noticed in the wall was not delamination suggests to me he knew there was an issue. Just a difficult situation all around.
Have you spoken to the prior owner and told him of these issues? I would certainly be doing that to try to determine if he is willing to at least help with repair costs. If not, I think I might consult with a lawyer to see if you have any recourse.
Other than the roof leaks, delamination and the tile goof (obviously the most extensive and expensive repair issues), the other things on your list are not unreasonable for a coach of that age. If the coach needed tires, I hope you negotiated that cost into what you paid for the coach.
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05-10-2018, 07:02 PM
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Yes we knew on the tires and other wear items. Yes we negotiated some for the tires.
The roof was damaged and not repaired properly and yes from expert opinion they would have known about the delamination - it’s bad enough when the coach is in the sun - it pops! We didn’t see it because it was in a building and then out in the cold. Other than the one spot I did point out.
The floor was installed at the wrong height (never expected that) and of course we wouldn’t know that one - it has caused issues with the slide (which is the major part of the delam issue). It is actually pushing the seal up at the top tight (damaging it). So these altogether are the main issues - $40000 to correct.
We will deal with the previous owners - I won’t get into that here. Needed all data first and proceeding from there.
Well we did a bunch of scenarios and it seems best option is still to fix/keep and sell the other one to cover. Still working through it. I just hope that it can be a good coach in the end.
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05-10-2018, 07:14 PM
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#56
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Senior Member
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I know of several people, me included, that bought nice looking CC's and a few tbousand miles (2100 in my case) the engine broke a valve off in #6. Cost me $22,000, another went to $40,000 and a third ended up over $68,000. But. Once the bitterness is gone you have a great rig. Yes, I had an oil analysis done but a valve about to break is undetectable unless you do a teardown and magneflux or dye inspection of each piece.
But, in the OP's case it appears that some of the damage was noted before the purchase but investigated thoroughly. Doubtful there will be any recovery from the seller unless you can prove intent to conceal the problems. And intent is very hard to prove. As to the leak from the wind detector, insurance would cover the repair, FOR THE OWNER AT THE TIME, but not for water damage due to a poor repair previously.
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