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Old 11-11-2015, 07:02 PM   #1
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PTO spline issue found on 1997 CC Intrigue

I was under the impression that older CC's were not affected by the PTO-to- hydraulic pump shaft-spline failure issues. (Chelsea PTO's)



Today I crawled under the coach to check out the spline condition on my 1997 Country Coach Intrigue, Cummins CTA 8.3. The splined shaft was dry and just starting to rust. The shaft splines were fretted only slightly so I greased it and put it back together. 18,000 total miles on this coach.

So those of us who thought they lucked out because they had an older coach and thus had no dry or worn out splines on the PTO drive, should think of checking their setup.

I am glad I did.

The PTO on this coach is a Chelsea <Dana> Model 266XDFJP-M5XK
And NO wet-kit.
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Old 11-11-2015, 07:09 PM   #2
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Man, you gotta get out there and use that rig! That's only 1,000 miles per year. Engine isn't even broken in yet.


Luckily ours came with the wet kit already on it.
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Old 11-11-2015, 07:46 PM   #3
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Mr D, I agree.

We bought it from the OO who kept in enshrined in a garage since new.
We need to meet up some time as I live just north of Vancouver.
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Old 11-12-2015, 07:16 AM   #4
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Yep mines a 98

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Mike that looks like a fresh gasket in there. Did you have yours recently checked?
The frame rail on the Magna must be different than my Cummins powered Intrigue.

Thanks for sharing the pic
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I don't know. This is how it was when I purchased the coach last year.
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Those of you who have not checked the PTO/Hydraulic pump splines, if you do not have the wet kit, DO IT! Mine stripped the splines while in Newfoundland this summer and it was a $4000.00 repair! Also, the hydraulic pumps are getting very scarce (no repair parts available) and the price has shot up drastically, if you can find one.
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Mike Brez,

A second look at you picture: I think you have the wet kit installed as there appears to be an oil supply line running to the spline shaft area.
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Mike Brez,

A second look at you picture: I think you have the wet kit installed as there appears to be an oil supply line running to the spline shaft area.

Yes there is a wet kit on it. It was one of the things I looked for before purchasing and was glad to see one installed on it. Her is a pic from another angle.

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Those of you who have not checked the PTO/Hydraulic pump splines, if you do not have the wet kit, DO IT! Mine stripped the splines while in Newfoundland this summer and it was a $4000.00 repair! Also, the hydraulic pumps are getting very scarce (no repair parts available) and the price has shot up drastically, if you can find one.
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To reiterate this, mine failed while driving, lost all power steering -- not fun muscling that beast off the freeway to a safe place to get it towed.

Cost -- total bill was $4800 and my repair guy gave me somewhat of a break. In addition the the PTO spline being severely damaged, I had to replace the attached Sauer Danfoss pump ( hydraulic pump driving radiator coolant fan, I think). Problem with that pump is that it is no longer carried by any distributor in the US and had to be shipped from England -- cost of that pump was $2571 with a $250 freight charge. Sadly, there are no direct replacements other than from the original supplier. My repair guy said that with time, he "might" be able to find parts to rebuild, but CC didn't know of any.

So....make sure that your PTO has been addressed! Either install the wet kit or get it regreased frequently!
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Wow, I was not aware that a PTO was used on the Cummins C8.3L engine. I thought it was just Cat engines.

Is it a transmission or engine mounted PTO?

I see the pictures, but I do not see a similar PTO in my Cummins engine compartment.
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Wow, I was not aware that a PTO was used on the Cummins C8.3L engine. I thought it was just Cat engines.

Is it a transmission or engine mounted PTO?

I see the pictures, but I do not see a similar PTO in my Cummins engine compartment.

Mines the red headed step child. It's a Detroit.
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The Detroit 40 and 60 series were first class.

Re the hydraulic pump, wonder if it would not be a bad idea to track down an extra pump, just in case?
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deandec

I'm not sure if different engine brands change the requirements or necessity of the PTO/pump location.
On our 1997 the PTO is mounted on the passenger side of the Allison MD 3060 trans.

If you think you don't have one, how is your power steering and fan drive energized? I have seem pumps driven off the accessory drive on the motor or from a belt driven pump.
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