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Old 10-18-2016, 08:19 PM   #1
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Rookie Question BIRD ATS

Having some problems with Magna 630. 2007. Both Shore Power, Generator... heck you name it when it comes to electrical power sources. So rookie question. Reading a lot about converter/charging systems and 30a fuses on them often tripping/blowing after battery cable disconnect. Well we had someone replace the chassis batteries...

A) Is converter/charging system the same as my (2) 3000W Xantrex inverters?

B) When people talk about checking the BIRD system, is that the same is the ATS (Transfer Switch system)?

Oh and we blow the breaker on my shop 30A Breaker panel whenever we try to plug into said shore power. Good times.

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Old 10-19-2016, 09:18 AM   #2
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Time to seek out a qualified RV electrician.
The electrical system in an RV is far more complex than in a residential structure.
It combines automotive systems with converter/inverter systems designed for RVs....a marriage of 12 volt D/C and 30/50 AMP A/C power systems....some things are best left to professionals...better safe than sorry !

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Old 10-19-2016, 11:08 PM   #3
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A) Is converter/charging system the same as my (2) 3000W Xantrex inverters?

Your coach does not have a converter/charger. Your Xantrex inverters are equipped with a charger. The converter converts AC voltage to DC voltage. Inverters change DC voltage to AC voltage

B) When people talk about checking the BIRD system, is that the same is the ATS (Transfer Switch system)?

No. A transfer switch is a means to either apply shore power to the coach or apply generator power to the coach. To be on the safe side, you should not have the coach on shore power and then start the generator of vice versa. In theory you can run run both at the same time but...........there is alwys the possibility something will go wrong. Better safe than sorry. If you do have shore power hooked up and start the generator, the trnsfer switch will default to the generator.

Here is what a BIRD does:
The BIRD (BI-DIRECTIONAL ISOLATOR RELAY DELAY) performs two important functions. It provides a
method of charging the coach battery from the engine alternator and charges the chassis battery from the
converter when the coach is plugged into shore power. When neither battery is being charged, the batteries
are isolated from each other to prevent the loads of one battery from inadvertently discharging the other battery.
If the generator is running, the isolator is prevented from pulling in to prevent the generator and converter from
operating the chassis functions which might over-load the converter.

Country Coach used the Echo Charger which does the same thing but is a lot simpler
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If you can plug your 30amp mh plug into your shop outlet then you may be plugging into 30 amp 220 volt. This could why it is popping the breaker. This is also not good for the electronics of the mh. This outlet needs to be 110 volts.
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Old 11-14-2016, 02:49 PM   #5
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Something that never made sense to me, is that the 3 prong 30 amp plug that my RV uses is exactly the same in appearance as the 3 prong 30 amp plug that is on my clothes dryer in the house.

Problem is, the dryer is 220 volts, and the RV is 120 volts. Plug is the same, but the wiring is different.

Many times, this is not explained anywhere but on places like this forum.

By the way, the easiest way to tell if you are not familiar with the outlet, is to check the circuit breaker. IF 220 like the dryer, the circuit breaker will be a double sized one, and if 120 like the RV, the breaker will be a single sized one.
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:52 AM   #6
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We took the "head" off the shore power cord and low n' behold??? Three of the four terminals had wires BARELY connected. Apparently they'd come apart over time. Tightened each back and what do ya' know. Haven't had a problem since.

So if we want to "upgrade" and have 50-amp shore power installed at the shop.... are we still talking 110 or does that need to be 220?
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The 50 amp is 240 volt, four wire. The coach does not use 240 but (2) 120 volt phases.
You will have (2) hots, or 120 volt, a neutral and the ground. The receptacle you need is a NEMA 5-50R.
A qualified electrician will be able to help you out.

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