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Old 06-21-2016, 04:02 PM   #15
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Sounds like some people don't notice any difference at all when removing the pump.

When I head south in winter I encounter temps in the 20's and 30's for the first day. I didn't replace mine right away, and I could notice a huge difference. It could be that my 400 ISL engine temp runs in the low 180's. My feet were a little cold, and just enough heat to stay comfortable.

The first pump on my coach lasted 13 years and 65k miles, so I think its just best to carry a fitting to go in the pumps place when it fails, that way you won't be stranded. But as we all know there are hundreds of items that could fail and leave us stranded. Cruising down the road we should all keep an occasional eye on the back, and when mine failed it was very easy to notice.
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Old 06-24-2016, 09:18 AM   #16
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On my old '99 I don't believe the mirrors have any heat. We have a ceramic heater we put between the front seats while in really cold country to warm the front and run the furnace while underway. The DW is usually snuggled on the couch sleeping while I am crusing down to warmer climates. Plus I don't like to get too warm driving as it makes it hard to stay awake.
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Old 06-24-2016, 10:14 PM   #17
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Looking to see if I can locate the correct pump, this appears to be the correct one.

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Old 06-24-2016, 10:19 PM   #18
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This is the location according to my manual.
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Old 06-26-2016, 08:33 AM   #19
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Yes it is that back one, next to the turbo that is the killer. Bypass it, pull the fuse, avoid break down on side of road.
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Old 06-26-2016, 03:50 PM   #20
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Brett - Do you know if your coach has two pumps? Wonder if the 36' CC's got by with just the one?

We have two on our 40' Allure. Rear started leaking on our way South from Alaska. I pulled into a shop to ask for some help bypassing it (Figured by the time I bought the hose, clamps, and a few more tools to do the job (IF I could get up to it from underneath - as I'm not as nimble as I once was!), I'd be into it for just a little under what a shop would charge. And another factor, was we were still 5 hours out from our stop that night, with a non refundable deposit!

Anyways, the shop foreman of a truck repair shop, said no way they could get me into one of the bays. Said they had commitments to get the trucks I could see in the bays, and three others, back out to the companies that same day. But, he said if I'd be willing to wait, he'd at least get someone to look things over to confirm it was the pump. About 30 mins later, he came out himself with a crawler and flashlight and a pair of clean working overalls (With two or three of his crew looking out from inside the shop.) Asked me to raise the coach so his belly could clear (His words, not mine!) the under frame. He slid under, looked things over with the flashlight. Hit his ear piece blue tooth and called his own shop. Ask the receptionist to have Jr bring him a flat blade screw driver, and a (Forget the size.) socket wrench. Few minutes later, Jr delivered the two tools. And this gent proceeded to grunt, and groan his way up to reach the water pump. Snugged up on some clamps, dried things off with a rag. Then rolled out.

He said his opinion was that it was leaking from an upper hose clamp, and running down over the pump body to make it look like the pump itself was leaking. Had me start the engine, turn on the heater, and said he'd be back in 20 minutes. 35 minutes later he was back out, I turned off the engine, he went back under, and I looked in from the engine bay access hatch. With a bright flashlight, you can just see the pump with the ISL combo.)

Bone dry, no more leak. I checked my coolant tank and it was still in good shape fluid wise. (Had only been leaking a short period, I spotted it as I walked the coach during a fuel stop.).

Took me almost as long to talk the gent into agreeing to take some funds for his time. He chuckled, and said it was worth it to him to have his crew see he could still do stuff!!! It being a Friday, I asked him if he and the crew ever had a few brews at the end of the week. And well, you know, he said they'd been known to do that! So, went across the street and bough them a case of beer that he said they enjoyed. (Was not Molson, Ehhh!) From when we stopped, until when were headed back out, just about 2 1/2 hours.

It was two years later, in Sedona area, when mine started to leak at the actual pump itself. So, used the hose and clamps we had with us for such an occasion, and another gent charged me 30 mins work of labor to bypass the pump. Still sitting where it was. We saved the coolant that came out, and filtered it back into the tank. Doubt we lost more then 2-3 OZ's for the job.

And, having traveled in mid to upper 20's, our front OTR heater still keeps us warm in the front. The front pump is doing all the work, and I've detected no reduction in heat.

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Smitty, I do have the pump up front as well. I just recently installed the Source Thermal Valve that has a restrictor in line that I can remove during cold months. This will keep fan speed at zero until temp hits 180 so hopefully this will help.


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Smitty, I do have the pump up front as well. I just recently installed the Source Thermal Valve that has a restrictor in line that I can remove during cold months. This will keep fan speed at zero until temp hits 180 so hopefully this will help.


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Does the thermal valve replace the Saur Danfoos controller? Mine has Saur Danfoos which controls the engine cooling fan.

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Yes, it does replace that Sauer/Danfoss fan controller. They put a restrictor in place for a constant fan speed for the A/C and CAC. If you remove it then you have no fan speed until temps hit 180.


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School Bus Pump?

Do you have any photos of the installation of the Source Thermal valve? Do you have a part number or a web link to that valve?

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You can go to sourcerv.com and under products they have a good description with photos.

I have only had mine on for about 2,000k miles. So far I really like it, since it's variable it keeps temps very even. But I'll let you know more as time goes on.


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"Do you have any photos of the installation of the Source Thermal valve? "

I am having the valve installed tomorrow at Source so will post a picture
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Curious on your opinion with the cold idle fan speed. I thought that it was a little on the high side. I leave the restrictor out until A/C is needed. That way there is no fan moving at all until it gets close to 180. This helps to get my engine temp up during cooler weather.


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"Do you have any photos of the installation of the Source Thermal valve? "

I am having the valve installed tomorrow at Source so will post a picture

What is the cost of the parts and labor? I wonder if I could just order the needed parts and have it installed by a shop here in Maryland or does it take a trained specialist to set it up after install?

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