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Old 01-27-2016, 05:43 PM   #1
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Using Speedco for Lube? Beware

i used speedco for chassis lube twice. They allowed me to watch where they greased, nice. today i looked up the manual, followed the zerk locations and did the lube thoroughly myself. obviously the speedco techs missed a couple of places, like brake slack adjuster tubes.... i don't blame them as as they are not trained vehicle specifically. they don't have access to the documents for each coach; they do the job based on their experience (mostly from truck lube).

just so you know.
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Did they grease your universal joints, and slip yoke?
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My OM has a diagram of all locations needing grease. I print a copy and give that to the 'pit crew' when I arrive. I usually visit Speedco in the fall before putting the motorhome into storage. Sometime during the next summer I'll crawl around underneath wit a grease gun.

Seems like it works OK for me.

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I would blame poor training.

I have lubed thousands of air, drum brake, equipped trucks.
I have also done hundreds of air brake equiped truck brake jobs.

I have never seen one "S cam" shaft bushing that didn't have a grease fitting.

Maybe next time you can educate them.
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Just make sure they don't overdo it. If you just keep pumping, it will make its way past the shaft seal into the Brake itself and onto the Brake linings. Good for reducing Brake squeal, not good for stopping.
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Did they grease your universal joints, and slip yoke?
they did lube the univ joints but i don't remember they ever did the slip yoke (as the zerk sometimes was turned on top hard to see). today i noticed the slip section was pretty dry.
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I would blame poor training.

I have lubed thousands of air, drum brake, equipped trucks.
I have also done hundreds of air brake equiped truck brake jobs.

I have never seen one "S cam" shaft bushing that didn't have a grease fitting.

Maybe next time you can educate them.
on cc, it has a zerk but until you look for it...the front slack camshaft tubing zerk is at outside of the vertical column (don't know what is called), kind of hiding. it took me some time to find out where it was today.
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Depends on the Speedco. Speedco in Casa Grande Arizona is good with CCs. See Lupe. I would not go to the Speedco in Kingman under any circumstances.
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My OM has a diagram of all locations needing grease. I print a copy and give that to the 'pit crew' when I arrive. I usually visit Speedco in the fall before putting the motorhome into storage. Sometime during the next summer I'll crawl around underneath wit a grease gun.

Seems like it works OK for me.

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don't know what year/model of your coach is. my 2000 intrigue manual has the diagram, section 7-1, but it's an illustration of lube type (what kind of oil/grease to use, including zerks, engine oil, transmission fluid...). the arrows point to the general areas, but that does not guarantee you can find the locations.

on section 7-2, there is a chart listing the zerks. it tells the part names where the zerks are on, again, not easy to find unless you are a mechanic knowing exactly what the names are by cc. some on top some on bottom; some hiding some exposed...

even some zerks are on the chart and you know the part names, you may still be unable to find them. for example, the chart says there is a zerk on steering gearbox, up to now, i still don't see it. i remember i asked the question on this board before, most responses said there is none of such a zerk. i am scratching my head... how is the gearbox lubed? over time it will dry up...

$30 to lube in speedco is a super deal, but only if they do it right and complete.
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I have seen a few zerks on steering boxs. Usually in the top cap where the steering shaft enters it. Some are countersunk into the cap, dig around.

Its more of a water shield for box's with the shaft pointing up. The fluid lubes the internal parts.
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for example, the chart says there is a zerk on steering gearbox, up to now, i still don't see it. i remember i asked the question on this board before, most responses said there is none of such a zerk. i am scratching my head... how is the gearbox lubed? over time it will dry up...

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According to my Gillig Bus manual, the steering gearbox is provided hydraulic fluid from the Hydraulic Reservoir.

No Zerk needed?
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i looked at it again and took some pics. looks like there are no hydraulic hoses going in and out although i have the seen the hydraulic reservoir for it in engine compartment. i couldn't see anything like a cover/recess that i could poke around...

taken from bottom shooting forward (notice has some leak)


gearbox front shooting backward


gearbox front tilt shooting backward


from top facing backward


do you see anywhere of interest?
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The steering gearbox connects to the drag link or the tie rod.

That seems to be some kind of seperate gearbox.

Is that the steering shaft entering and exiting it ?

It looks like a PTO right angle drive box. The kind that drive side fans.

That aside, there should be a gear oil level plug in it. Imagine a oil level about 1/4 full and see if there is a plug ?

A little research is needed on that.
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The steering gearbox connects to the drag link or the tie rod.

That seems to be some kind of seperate gearbox.

Is that the steering shaft entering and exiting it ?

It looks like a PTO right angle drive box. The kind that drive side fans.

That aside, there should be a gear oil level plug in it. Imagine a oil level about 1/4 full and see if there is a plug ?

A little research is needed on that.
the big bar at left-hand side on my first photo is to the draglink. the vertical shaft on my last photo is the steering column going into the cabin.

pto? i thought it only started in 2005 or so and onward?... am i 5 years ahead of others?

i looked at it very carefully but didn't see an oil level thingy on it. a mystery ...
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