Ford and Navistar settlement

[onechaddude]

Originally Posted by jesilvas

So one engine issue.
I understand not wanting to deal with it anymore, but that is such an isolated series of events that it's absurd to say you will never trust Ford. That means their cars, vans, V10 and 5.4 Tritons are all untrustworth as well?

One particular vehicle does not make all of the other vehicles untrustworthy however it does not give me a good feeling that if I was to buy another of their vehicles and have a problem with it that they would stand behind it. This track record tells me that they were more concerned with the dollar than the customer. Hence why I would not buy another ford.
Chad

[Fred1609]

Originally Posted by jesilvas

I'd like to know why the parts were replaced and if they were actually the problem or not. Turbos probably did not need replacing but cleaning because someone didn't know what to do. And neither the turbo nor the front bearings are Navistar components. The HPOP is the only thing on there that is.

One turbo was replaced with a new one....the 1rst one which was being serviced in Yakima, Wa did only have to have parts replaced and cleaned....problem was the parts were 3-4 days out and there was a new turbo sitting on the shelf.....I paid the difference....It was my holiday and I wasn't gonna sit around Yakima for a week waiting for a part.....The 2nd turbo was replaced in Corning, CA....The dealer sent pictures and Ford EW authorized the replacement. If it wasn't navistars problem why is the turbo part of the settlement?

[jamesrxx951]

Originally Posted by bgbranch

You are absolutely correct.

I own a diesel repair business and can attest to the quality of the 6.0 liter engine, in fact I own one which I use to pull a 32' gooseneck trailer with to move heavy equipment.

The problem with the engine is owners install a programmer to boost horsepower and then drive the pi_s out of it. The increase in HP resulted in overheating which would take out the egr cooler and head gaskets.

The only problem which existed from manufacture was a defective o-ring fitting on the output side of the high pressure oil pump which drives the fuel injection system. That was handled by Ford under warranty and only existed in the 03 and 04 year models.

My guess is your thinking of the late 04-06 STC fitting at the back of the pump. Those were the ones that where known to fail and had several revisions and TSBs. Cant say I have seen a 03 or early 04 design fail. They had a different setup all together.

[jamesrxx951]

Originally Posted by Fred1609

One turbo was replaced with a new one....the 1rst one which was being serviced in Yakima, Wa did only have to have parts replaced and cleaned....problem was the parts were 3-4 days out and there was a new turbo sitting on the shelf.....I paid the difference....It was my holiday and I wasn't gonna sit around Yakima for a week waiting for a part.....The 2nd turbo was replaced in Corning, CA....The dealer sent pictures and Ford EW authorized the replacement. If it wasn't navistars problem why is the turbo part of the settlement?

The turbo is built by Garrett, the same company that builds turbos for other manufactures including the Duramax. The issues with the 6.0L turbos is how people that had issues used the trucks. They used them as grocery getters, daily drivers, or let them sit until they were needed. This would cause coking in the turbo from lack of sufficient engine heat. The daily drivermobile just never put enough load on the engine to run it where it was needed to be. The sitting issue was from rust build up. In all cases it was not a failure of the turbo section but the variable geometry section of the turbo. This is a moving ring that needs to be faily clean. The engines that are worked hard almost full time, are almost guaranteed to never have any turbo issues.

Injector issues can be related to oil change intervals. I think Ford spread out the oil change interval to much for a HUEI system that has such close tolerances for noise and performance. If oil was changed sooner than recommended and the owners that have lower mileage but higher engine hours would change per engine hours vs mileage, the issues would have been less. Sure there still would have been injector failures, but surly there would be less of them. For example, my sisters 05 6.0L has over 225K on the clock with original turbo and all 8 injectors.

[jesilvas]

Originally Posted by Fred1609

One turbo was replaced with a new one....the 1rst one which was being serviced in Yakima, Wa did only have to have parts replaced and cleaned....problem was the parts were 3-4 days out and there was a new turbo sitting on the shelf.....I paid the difference....It was my holiday and I wasn't gonna sit around Yakima for a week waiting for a part.....The 2nd turbo was replaced in Corning, CA....The dealer sent pictures and Ford EW authorized the replacement. If it wasn't navistars problem why is the turbo part of the settlement?

Because it sits on the motor? Idk. It's a Garrett turbo, which was used on Dmax's, 7.3s, 6.4s, and 6.7s. That's just a few. Ignorant to include it on the lawsuit, and it just goes to show that it not just a Ford-IH settlement but includes other commonly and easily addressed issues that most people had no understanding of.

Thought Garrett and Honeywell were the same.

[jamesrxx951]

Originally Posted by jesilvas

Because it sits on the motor? Idk. It's a Garrett turbo, which was used on Dmax's, 7.3s, 6.4s, and 6.7s. That's just a few. Ignorant to include it on the lawsuit, and it just goes to show that it not just a Ford-IH settlement but includes other commonly and easily addressed issues that most people had no understanding of.

The 6.7L uses a Honeywell turbo. But the others are correct.

[CJScepter]

Jesilvas,
Just wanted to assure you that I am a Ford blue though and though, the only thing I own that is not a Ford is my Cummins powered Holiday Rambler,if Ford built a diesel pusher thats what I would have. But there are things that can make the 6.0 very good, but it costs money to bulletproof! I was looking at 6.0s when the price had fallen but now many techs know they can fix the problems and the price has come back up. they are a good truck and many don't have trouble, just too many do!
John G.