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Old 10-16-2019, 01:32 PM   #1
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Leak with guardian plate

I am posting this just to make you folks aware of a potential problem and to check your slides for water intrusion after Guardian Plates are installed. I am NOT complaining about Guardian Plates (GP).

I have a 2003 HR Vacationer with 2 slides. I put on GP to stop a problem of water intrusion. I think they have done their job.

We decided to install new carpet in our MH so I removed the bed attached to the small slide. I started the removal on a rainy Monday this week. I found wet carpet on 1 side of the slide. It was lightly raining and the slide was extended so I could see the water coming down the side of the slide. There was a small gap between the GP & vertical aluminum extrusion at the back of the slide. The water went into the gap and into the bottom of the slide and then onto the carpet. It appears the 3M 5200 Sealant and adhesive had not sealed the back of the GP when it was installed.

When the slide dries out, I intend to seal the dickens out of the GP and bottom of slide. This area is enclosed by the bedframe so one could not inspect the GP install. I'm thankful we decided to put carpet in this coach because it saved me a ton of floor rot.

The leak in the bedroom slide is only on one side. The other slide is not leaking.

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without seeing your particular issue, it's hard to picture. But the 3M5200 is absolutely bullet proof if installed correctly. I've used it on through hull fittings in boats, and never an issue.

One thing you have to remember when installing it, is the 5200 is very slow curing. I think the instructions say 7 days. If the GP is moved or pulled away in that time, I can see where the seal may fail.

When I installed the GP on the front flush floor, I purposely didn't even get close to it for over 2 weeks, especially no slide movement.
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George-

I had the same problem, but perhaps not the same pathway for the water, as I explained in an earlier post on another thread of yours (link here).

Other folks coming across this thread-

The bedroom slide floor may not be flat, and/or the edges of the slide may extend lower than the slide floor. This can create a gap between the Guardian Plate and the slide floor. Unless you put a lot of 3M 5200 on the Guardian Plate, water captured on its upper side can flow into the coach (think a wide, shallow tray, tipped towards the coach interior).

It's important to do a trial fit-up so you can see if you have a gap between the GP and the floor. I had the GP in place before I saw the gap on our coach- about 1/8 of an inch. I was not that generous with the adhesive, as I was not sure I had enough on hand to complete the job. The gap also resulted in the roller slightly denting the GP; there was less support behind the plate. Had I done a fit-up I may have decided to shim the floor out a bit before applying the GP. I also would have trimmed a bit of the outside edge (that is, curb end) of the GP. As it was, the GP contacted the steel angle on the outside of the slide, and this meant I had no way of intercepting water coming from that direction.

Some of us don't have more than a couple days of dry weather to install the Guardian Plates. This means we're inclined to bring the slide in before the full seven-day cure of the 3M 5200. They make a fast-cure (48-hour) version of the 5200 (link here). I suggest that those folks with less cure time consider using the fast-cure 5200.

Note: I had no leaks on the dining-room slide. The slide floor was flush, or a bit proud of the slide edge, at both front and back, so no gaps between plates and slide floor.
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without seeing your particular issue, it's hard to picture. But the 3M5200 is absolutely bullet proof if installed correctly. I've used it on through hull fittings in boats, and never an issue.

One thing you have to remember when installing it, is the 5200 is very slow curing. I think the instructions say 7 days. If the GP is moved or pulled away in that time, I can see where the seal may fail.

When I installed the GP on the front flush floor, I purposely didn't even get close to it for over 2 weeks, especially no slide movement.
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[Mod Edit] I wrote the 5200 did not adequately extend back to the problem area. I might also add that I was a working mechanical engineer for over 50 years. And, I learned one thing from this cumulative experience ---nothing is 100% OR "bullet proof". Nothing man-made will last forever as you implied. Man is the variable as are his tools and implements.



I wrote this to advise others who used the GP to be aware and check the install periodically. [Mod Edit]


GP are a good product. But, there is a down side to GP -- the 1 in a thousand leak. I think my leak occurred because the 2 sides of this slide are not 100% symmetrical. On 1 side the GP mated up (butted up) to the vertical piece on the slide. However, the GP lacked approximately 1/16" mating to the vertical piece on the slide that is concealed inside the MH. This gave the water a pathway into the coach.


Was it a GP fabrication error? Was it an install error? At this point, who cares to assign blame? [Mod Edit] So, the capacity for a leak to the interior of the coach exists.



Bottom line check the inside of your slide and room for wet spots after installing GP. That is all!
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[Mod Edit] I wrote the 5200 did not adequately extend back to the problem area. I might also add that I was a working mechanical engineer for over 50 years. And, I learned one thing from this cumulative experience ---nothing is 100% OR "bullet proof". Nothing man-made will last forever as you implied. Man is the variable as are his tools and implements.



I wrote this to advise others who used the GP to be aware and check the install periodically. [Mod Edit]


GP are a good product. But, there is a down side to GP -- the 1 in a thousand leak. I think my leak occurred because the 2 sides of this slide are not 100% symmetrical. On 1 side the GP mated up (butted up) to the vertical piece on the slide. However, the GP lacked approximately 1/16" mating to the vertical piece on the slide that is concealed inside the MH. This gave the water a pathway into the coach.


Was it a GP fabrication error? Was it an install error? At this point, who cares to assign blame? [Mod Edit] So, the capacity for a leak to the interior of the coach exists.



Bottom line check the inside of your slide and room for wet spots after installing GP. That is all!
George needs to bring it down a notch! This kind of response is why I don't come around as often anymore.
No need for this kind of BS attack. Bill is a knowledgeable guy just trying to help.
Reminds me of the time I got attacked for a spelling slip up.....
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George,

Unfortunately I didn't see your reply until after the moderators edited it, but by the way others have responded following your comments, I would say it wasn't cordial.

I'm sorry if I offended you. I sure didn't mean to. I re-read my comment and still don't see what I had said to offend you. I think most people on this forum are truly trying to help out another owner. Sometimes it's helpful advise and sometimes it's not so much. I know some people have really helped me out, including some on this particular thread, and I really appreciate them and others.

I know there is a human element to everything we do. And everyone on this forum has a different skill level. Some owners are skeptical about changing a 12 volt fuse while others will rebuild the entire coach. And of course, there is everyone in between.

As far as your guardian plates, I know there are variables that we can't control. I've had great success with them, but maybe your plates were cut wrong, maybe the 5200 failed, maybe you have a unique situation. I don't know.

The good thing is you posted your original observation on the leak and I thank you for that. You made me and others aware of it.
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spoken like a gentleman. I, too, come to this site to learn. a great community effort. when I have info for others to use, I don't expect to be called names or chastised. and I wouldn't do the same to others that help me figure out problems.
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George,

Unfortunately I didn't see your reply until after the moderators edited it, but by the way others have responded following your comments, I would say it wasn't cordial.

I'm sorry if I offended you. I sure didn't mean to. I re-read my comment and still don't see what I had said to offend you. I think most people on this forum are truly trying to help out another owner. Sometimes it's helpful advise and sometimes it's not so much. I know some people have really helped me out, including some on this particular thread, and I really appreciate them and others.

I know there is a human element to everything we do. And everyone on this forum has a different skill level. Some owners are skeptical about changing a 12 volt fuse while others will rebuild the entire coach. And of course, there is everyone in between.

As far as your guardian plates, I know there are variables that we can't control. I've had great success with them, but maybe your plates were cut wrong, maybe the 5200 failed, maybe you have a unique situation. I don't know.

The good thing is you posted your original observation on the leak and I thank you for that. You made me and others aware of it.

Bill --- Thanks for reaching out to me. I apologize for my response because it was not warranted. I was having a bad day --- I'm not at happy with buying this MH, so you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.


I can briefly tell you what happened. The slide is not symmetrical from one side to another so the Guardian Plate didn't fit up completely on 1 side. It lacked approx. 1/16" of butting to a vertical piece at the rear of the slide. It was enough gap to allow water to get inside. Also, when I applied the 5200 to the GP, the sealant/adhesive did not go back far enough to stop the water. These 2 errors allowed the water to get into the coach.


So, I accept your apology. Let's just get on w/things on this forum and "bury the hatchet".
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