RV Trip Planning Discussions

Go Back   iRV2 Forums > THE OWNER'S CORNER FORUMS > Monaco Owner's Forum
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 11-04-2009, 11:50 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Hillsboro, OR, USA
Posts: 336
Lube/Fuel Filters

Well last week I completed my oil/oil filter change and the generator oil/filter and fuel filter. With the exception of getting the old oil filter off the 330 ISC, it all went well. Finally got the oil filter off, but it took some time and a larger filter wrench, 2 foot extension and a breaker bar to get it off.

Fuel filter on the generator was interesting. I have to find a way to keep diesel fuel from running down my arm and down to the seat of my pants!!

Today, I did the chassis lube with Shell Grease Hi-Performance Lithium, Albida EP, 14.1-oz, Nigi #2. After I got the coach up on about 4" thick boards, I crawled around and found all the lube points. While I was greasing the U joints one of the Zerks came off when I pulled the tube extension off. After that, I cleaned and replaced the Zerk, I checked all the other Zerks and found 3 that were very loose. Cleaned and tightened them. Obviously, when I had the coach serviced last fall, they didn't pay any attention to them. Advise: If you are doing it yourself, take the appropriate crescent wrench with you.

I also found that the Power Gear tank had considerable ATF fluid leaking. After seeing the post on reinforcing this area I bought the angle iron, strap and clamps to do Hardy1000's fix.

I also replaced the primary fuel filter today, and like "The Danes are Coming" I have not got the engine to start yet - still needs more priming (I replaced it dry). I figure that this is the safest bet.

I will have to wait until the morning to try and prime and start the beast as it got dark out and I did not want to disturb the neighbors.

The Monaco/Roadmaster posts have been very helpful. God knows where we would all be without it.

Once I get the engine running and get the second fuel filter replaced, I will still need to replace the air dryer cartridge, but that will have to wait till the next rain storm has passed. Aw! Well! Maybe in the spring!!
__________________

__________________
2016 Ford F-350 Crew Cab Lariat w/6.7L Diesel - 2018 Arctic Fox 27-5L Fifth Wheel

Sold: 2007 Holiday Rambler Ambassador 40' diesel Motor Coach
Gordon is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 11-05-2009, 07:58 AM   #2
Senior Member
 
hardy1000's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,465
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordon View Post
Well last week I completed my oil/oil filter change and the generator oil/filter and fuel filter. With the exception of getting the old oil filter off the 330 ISC, it all went well. Finally got the oil filter off, but it took some time and a larger filter wrench, 2 foot extension and a breaker bar to get it off.

Fuel filter on the generator was interesting. I have to find a way to keep diesel fuel from running down my arm and down to the seat of my pants!!

Today, I did the chassis lube with Shell Grease Hi-Performance Lithium, Albida EP, 14.1-oz, Nigi #2. After I got the coach up on about 4" thick boards, I crawled around and found all the lube points. While I was greasing the U joints one of the Zerks came off when I pulled the tube extension off. After that, I cleaned and replaced the Zerk, I checked all the other Zerks and found 3 that were very loose. Cleaned and tightened them. Obviously, when I had the coach serviced last fall, they didn't pay any attention to them. Advise: If you are doing it yourself, take the appropriate crescent wrench with you.

I also found that the Power Gear tank had considerable ATF fluid leaking. After seeing the post on reinforcing this area I bought the angle iron, strap and clamps to do Hardy1000's fix.

I also replaced the primary fuel filter today, and like "The Danes are Coming" I have not got the engine to start yet - still needs more priming (I replaced it dry). I figure that this is the safest bet.

I will have to wait until the morning to try and prime and start the beast as it got dark out and I did not want to disturb the neighbors.

The Monaco/Roadmaster posts have been very helpful. God knows where we would all be without it.

Once I get the engine running and get the second fuel filter replaced, I will still need to replace the air dryer cartridge, but that will have to wait till the next rain storm has passed. Aw! Well! Maybe in the spring!!
I just changed all of my filters except the generator. I purchased new oil, air, and fuel filters for that. When you lubed your chassis did you do the drive shaft and slip joint? We are suppose to lube it every 5k miles. The instructions are on the Monaco web. I do know about the diesel fuel running down the arm and into the pants.
__________________

__________________
Del & Lori 2007 Diplomat 40PDQ - 2009 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, M&G brake system, Rockhard bumper, Blue Ox.
hardy1000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 08:45 AM   #3
Senior Member
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Hillsboro, OR, USA
Posts: 336
Yup! Found those - and lubed them.

Now, I need to get the thing started!
__________________
2016 Ford F-350 Crew Cab Lariat w/6.7L Diesel - 2018 Arctic Fox 27-5L Fifth Wheel

Sold: 2007 Holiday Rambler Ambassador 40' diesel Motor Coach
Gordon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 09:17 AM   #4
Senior Member
 
William Willard's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Posts: 1,566
Lube/Fuel Filters

Gordon -- Fill the primary filter with fuel -- The secondary filter will take care of filtering before going engine -- Don`t prefill secondary filter -- For sure, don`t have both filters empty -- Bill Willard
William Willard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 11:26 AM   #5
"Formerly Diplomat Don"
 
Dutch Star Don's Avatar
 
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Moorpark, Ca.
Posts: 14,526
Gordon....I've been servicing my vehicles since high school and worked as a mechanic until I was 21. There are very few things I can't fix......but......that darn fuel filter change never works as designed. I've changed them twice and both times the filters would not refill after doing the priming process (ISL 400). I had to loosen and bleed the water separator about three times to get it to fill. Next time I change them, I'm prefilling them.

Generator fuel filter..... Whenever you need to do a filter that is going to drip like that.....tie a rag around both wrists. This will keep the fuel from running down your arms. Because I've service that filter twice, the second time I used one of the graduated caps that come on a tube of silicone (an uncut one) as a plug. As soon as you disconnect the line, shove the cap into the opening.

Oh.....did you get the u-joints on the steering column....many miss those. One has to be done from inside the coach.
__________________
Don & Mary
2019 Newmar Dutch Star 4018
2016 GMC Canyon 4WD Crew Cab
Dutch Star Don is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 12:31 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
hardy1000's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,465
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diplomat Don View Post
Gordon....I've been servicing my vehicles since high school and worked as a mechanic until I was 21. There are very few things I can't fix......but......that darn fuel filter change never works as designed. I've changed them twice and both times the filters would not refill after doing the priming process (ISL 400). I had to loosen and bleed the water separator about three times to get it to fill. Next time I change them, I'm prefilling them.

Generator fuel filter..... Whenever you need to do a filter that is going to drip like that.....tie a rag around both wrists. This will keep the fuel from running down your arms. Because I've service that filter twice, the second time I used one of the graduated caps that come on a tube of silicone (an uncut one) as a plug. As soon as you disconnect the line, shove the cap into the opening.

Oh.....did you get the u-joints on the steering column....many miss those. One has to be done from inside the coach.
The rag aroud the wrists is a good idea...I always learn after the fact
__________________
Del & Lori 2007 Diplomat 40PDQ - 2009 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, M&G brake system, Rockhard bumper, Blue Ox.
hardy1000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 01:21 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Hillsboro, OR, USA
Posts: 336
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diplomat Don View Post
Gordon....I've been servicing my vehicles since high school and worked as a mechanic until I was 21. There are very few things I can't fix......but......that darn fuel filter change never works as designed. I've changed them twice and both times the filters would not refill after doing the priming process (ISL 400). I had to loosen and bleed the water separator about three times to get it to fill. Next time I change them, I'm prefilling them.

Generator fuel filter..... Whenever you need to do a filter that is going to drip like that.....tie a rag around both wrists. This will keep the fuel from running down your arms. Because I've service that filter twice, the second time I used one of the graduated caps that come on a tube of silicone (an uncut one) as a plug. As soon as you disconnect the line, shove the cap into the opening.

Oh.....did you get the u-joints on the steering column....many miss those. One has to be done from inside the coach.

Good idea on the plug for the generator fuel line. I will remember that.

Got the engine started after going through the instructions to prime (from fuel line - dry method). Only took 3 cycles once I understood how.

Second fuel filter took 2 times to cycle before she fired up. Ran it for about 10 minutes to make sure all air was out of the line. No problems, although it is a bit unnerving cranking - even for a short time without it firing up, but it worked as advertised. I did a search and found this topic discussed here before from Here Come the Danes. Good advise by all. Printed it out and took it out when I started the coach.

Got all the lube points in the steering column, including the one under the column sleeve. Removing that one was a pain as it is right up against the dash, but it got done.
__________________
2016 Ford F-350 Crew Cab Lariat w/6.7L Diesel - 2018 Arctic Fox 27-5L Fifth Wheel

Sold: 2007 Holiday Rambler Ambassador 40' diesel Motor Coach
Gordon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 01:32 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Hillsboro, OR, USA
Posts: 336
I also did Hardy1000's brace for the Power Gear tank. Came out "Sweeeet"!



The black stuff on the bottom of the tank is the black spray paint that they used on the frame. I cleaned and dried the tank really well, so I could tell if I had any leak points.

The last task I need to do is the Air Dryer. I'm going to have to sacrifice a leather belt I guess. I could not find a strap wrench big enough at Lowe's or Home Depot that would fit around it. That will have to wait until tomorrow afternoon as it is raining here now, and I am working Swing Shift on my Sunday (Thursday) - overtime.

If anyone has a better idea for removing the air dryer cartridge, I would appreciate it.

My main lesson learned on this years maintenance is:

Check your Zerks for being loose! No lube in the U-joint would have been bad news.

At least I didn't have to spend $500. I spent about $300 including the air dryer cartridge.
__________________
2016 Ford F-350 Crew Cab Lariat w/6.7L Diesel - 2018 Arctic Fox 27-5L Fifth Wheel

Sold: 2007 Holiday Rambler Ambassador 40' diesel Motor Coach
Gordon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 02:30 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
tquarles's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 163
I wouldn't bother with a belt. First step is to drain the air system COMPLETELY. You don't want any pressure left. Then put on a pair of gloves and unscrew it - I took mine off one-handed the first time I changed it, so even from the factory it isn't too tight.
tquarles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2009, 03:42 PM   #10
rex
Senior Member
 
rex's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Foley, AL
Posts: 1,247
Gordon, go to NAPA and get a strip wrench. They have one that works with a 1/2-inch socket wrench that works on the Air Dryer and your filters. Good toolbox addition. Cost around $16.
__________________
Rex

2001 Monaco Diplomat 40' PDQ - 08 Honda CR-V
rex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2009, 08:36 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Mutt's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 360
The first time I changed mine using an old belt(I was on the road). Sometimes even with the air pressure gone, you will need a little extra twist to get the filter started turning. I now have a strap wrench with a long strap. Works good. Good luck with yours.
David
__________________
2002 Monaco Diplomat Triple Slide PST
2011 Buick Enclave(AWD);
1970 Home built 11.5 ft Slide-in Cabover
Mutt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2009, 10:36 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Hillsboro, OR, USA
Posts: 336
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex View Post
Gordon, go to NAPA and get a strip wrench. They have one that works with a 1/2-inch socket wrench that works on the Air Dryer and your filters. Good toolbox addition. Cost around $16.
\

Took your advise and picked up the 1/2 inch socket wrench w/strap. I really had to work at getting it off. It was on so tight that the seal had deep grooves from the metal base.

One thing I noticed was that there was some moisture inside the bowl after I took off the old cartridge. I dried that out with a microfiber towel and lubed the O ring and the gasket. I'm thinking that the old cartridge was about used up.

After starting the engine, I went back to the Wabco and listened to it pumping air through it. The when it reached full PSI on the gauges, I heard the excess pressure purge.

It has been an interesting week!
__________________
2016 Ford F-350 Crew Cab Lariat w/6.7L Diesel - 2018 Arctic Fox 27-5L Fifth Wheel

Sold: 2007 Holiday Rambler Ambassador 40' diesel Motor Coach
Gordon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2009, 07:59 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Hillsboro, OR, USA
Posts: 336
Just for the record. What type of lubricant is used on the air Wabco air dryer?

The one I just installed came with a small tube of clear lubricant. The other one I bought on E-Bay did not - and neither had any instructions.

I found the installation instructions for Wabco - but it did not list the type of lubricant.

http://www.meritorwabco.com/MeritorW...nt/tp96178.pdf
__________________
2016 Ford F-350 Crew Cab Lariat w/6.7L Diesel - 2018 Arctic Fox 27-5L Fifth Wheel

Sold: 2007 Holiday Rambler Ambassador 40' diesel Motor Coach
Gordon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2009, 10:29 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
Raca-roni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Utah/Florida
Posts: 349
Guys,
I was told by a Truck mech, of many many years, to prefill my fuel filters. I do and have never had a problem with starting up the engine after the change etc.
How long of a cycle do you guys go through prior to changing your air dryer cannister filter?
__________________

__________________
2011 Tiffin Allego Bus 40QXP
450 hp Cummins ISL 9, Powerglide chassis
Toad, 2011 Honda CR-V
Raca-roni is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Changing various filters, etc Rich and Cork Alpine Coach Owner's Forum 1 04-13-2009 11:14 PM
Changing the oil & filters in newly purchased used motorhome buckeyes Class A Motorhome Discussions 11 10-04-2007 06:41 AM
Filters and oil changes--5.9 cummins and Onan propane gen. glfprncs Class A Motorhome Discussions 7 05-10-2007 06:54 PM
RO water filters Basil Shannon Alpine Coach Owner's Forum 1 10-22-2006 06:59 AM
Hydro Life Water Filters Warpath RV Industry Press 1 01-21-2005 05:06 AM

» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:07 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
×