RV Trip Planning Discussions

Go Back   iRV2 Forums > THE OWNER'S CORNER FORUMS > Monaco Owner's Forum
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 12-10-2019, 06:30 PM   #1
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 99
Marquis vs Patriot

Ive found several beaver coaches for sale all about the same year from 94 to 1999. One is a marquis with big cat others are patriots. My question is the marquis is a 1998 around 100k miles, the best looking patriot is a 1999 about the same miles. The marquis is 29,000 the patriot is 25000, {both asking prices}. IS the marquis being a year older worth more than the newer patriot? My useage will be short weekend trips at first then longer distance stuff when we retire. I like the idea of the power the c12 would bring but overall is newer better even 1 year? Looking for opinions. would also welcome any current or former owners impressions on these two units.
__________________

hlagooty is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 12-10-2019, 06:53 PM   #2
Senior Member


 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Blairsville, GA & WPB, FL
Posts: 2,388
Send a message via ICQ to Ivylog
Things that are standard on the Marquis are options (or not available) on a Patriot. I had a 98 40’ Patriot which was a good MH with beautiful woodwork. Always felt the air over hydraulic brakes were a little weak compared to air brakes. Assume the Marquis will have air brakes ...no air over hydraulic.
That vintage C12 is an excellent engine and has double the torque of the 3126 in the Patriot...enough said???
__________________

__________________
This post is my opinion, worth what you paid for it.
Our ”New” ride...08 HR Navigator 45’. A nice upgrade after 14 years with a 04 Dynasty 42’.
Ivylog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2019, 08:56 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Outbound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NorCal
Posts: 1,527
Does either coach have slides or tag axles, that bumps the value of coach, all things being equal I would opt for Marquis, not much difference between 98/99. IMHO
__________________
Outbound
2002 Monaco Executive 500 ISM
2004 GMC 2500HD 4X4
Outbound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2019, 05:24 AM   #4
Senior Member
 
CountryB's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Orlando, Florida
Posts: 4,474
The Marquis was built on the Magnum D-series chassis (which is a modified Gillig chassis) and the Patriot was built on the SMC Magnum B-series.

The D-series chassis is superior and that alone make the Marquis a better buy. IMO.

See the link in my signature line, for more info.
Good luck
__________________
Mike ----- 2005 Beaver Patriot Thunder CAT C13 525HP, 42-ft Tag, with HydraLift
*SMC-Bvr-Mnco Chassis/Suspsn/Info https://1drv.ms/f/s!AtvAXw_lfqbToxXYREK9YdBP08Jn
*SMC-Bvr-Mnco Wiring Diagrams https://1drv.ms/f/s!AtvAXw_lfqbTm0WTuuNqpn9a8hCh
CountryB is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2019, 03:40 PM   #5
Member
 
Busnut's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Mount Holly NC
Posts: 77
The Beaver is a good coach. I had a 93 Beaver Baronet with a 3116 Caterpillar
engine. Good engine but hard to find people that work on a Caterpillar engine besides the dealer.
__________________
Bob B.
Mount Holly NC
2003 Monaco Executive 43 DS2 500 HP ISM
Busnut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2019, 09:40 AM   #6
Senior Member
 
jacwjames's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 6,113
No idea on either coach but only suggestion would be to check tire DOT as a set of tires would easily offset the difference in price.
__________________
Jim J
2002 Monaco Windsor 38 PKD
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee w/5.7 Hemi
jacwjames is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2019, 10:51 AM   #7
WiFiRanger Ambassador
 
docj's Avatar
Official iRV2 Sponsor
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 5,751
FWIW, none of the coaches you are considering were built by Monaco, so it's not technically correct to post them in the Monaco forum. All of them were built by SMC, the Safari Motorcoach Company.

I agree with the previous posts that have noted that the Marquis has lots of features that aren't usually found on the Patriot, but I'd like to point out that there was a 3rd model built in the 1999-2001 timeframe which was called the Patriot Thunder. It had the solid, dependable C-12 engine from the Marquis in a chassis that was called the Magnum "C". That combination resulted in a 34,000 pound coach with an engine with 425 HP and 1550 lb-ft of torque! Thunder models were equipped with essentially all the options available on the Patriot. IMHO the interior cabinetry, for which Beaver was known, is just as pretty as the Marquis, although it was less formal in appearance.

I'm not claiming that the Marquis doesn't have a yet better chassis, but the lighter weight of the Thunder chassis makes for amazing performance in a big vehicle. I was once told by a Beaver "old timer" that the factory had held "drag races" between Thunder models at some rallies!
__________________
Joel Weiss--WiFiRanger RV Ambassador
RVParkReviews administrator
2000 40' Beaver Patriot Thunder Princeton CAT C-12
docj is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2019, 12:00 PM   #8
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 99
Marquis vs Patriot

Your point of a Beaver not technically a Monaco is valid but I havent seen a pure Beaver owners group to post to. I would like a patriot thunder from what I can find out about them but they seem to be rare and scarce. I am shopping for a Beaver primarily on the reputation of quality on their older units. I cant justify the expense of newer quality units of other brands. And after attending the RV supershow in FL. I see a lack of care and workmanship in some high dollar coaches. I dont want glitz I want usability. After reviewing the two units
I find owners lie and gloss over many things when describing their units. I know buyer beware but.... One that is listed said it was beautiful, needed nothing and was a steal. Now its relisted needing tires, all woodwork refinished, and several other items all supposedly not being a big deal. The price dropped 3000. for probably 8000 or 9000 worth of repairs and I will bet a bunch more when really looked at. The other unit needs an awning , carpet etc but is closer to being as described. My point is you have to take ads with a HUGE grain of salt! What lengths did thunders come in pre 2001?
hlagooty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2019, 12:59 PM   #9
WiFiRanger Ambassador
 
docj's Avatar
Official iRV2 Sponsor
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 5,751
Quote:
Originally Posted by hlagooty View Post
Your point of a Beaver not technically a Monaco is valid but I havent seen a pure Beaver owners group to post to.

What lengths did thunders come in pre 2001?
As for there not being a dedicated Beaver group to post to, you are correct. Three is a Beaver Ambassador Club that exists as a separate entity, but most of its members own Monaco-built Beavers, so I decided it was of little benefit to me. The SMC Beaver period only lasted a few years so there weren't that many coaches on the road to start with and fewer are still intact today, I'm sure.

Our 2000 Thunder is 40' and I think all the SMC Thunders were, except, possibly a few "specials" built with a shorter length.

Good luck in finding a Thunder from that period. You might want to check with Beaver Coach Sales and Service in Bend OR. They have handled lots of Beaver re-sales over the years. Maybe they know of one that will be coming up for sale. You're probably ~10 years too early for us to offer you ours!
__________________
Joel Weiss--WiFiRanger RV Ambassador
RVParkReviews administrator
2000 40' Beaver Patriot Thunder Princeton CAT C-12
docj is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2019, 02:13 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
CountryB's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Orlando, Florida
Posts: 4,474
Quote:
Originally Posted by hlagooty View Post
Your point of a Beaver not technically a Monaco is valid but I havent seen a pure Beaver owners group to post to. I would like a patriot thunder from what I can find out about them but they seem to be rare and scarce. I am shopping for a Beaver primarily on the reputation of quality on their older units.
The other unit needs an awning , carpet etc but is closer to being as described. My point is you have to take ads with a HUGE grain of salt! What lengths did thunders come in pre 2001?
The best years for a Beaver Patriot Thunder, IMO, is 2003 to 2005 because 2003 is the first year the Thunder came with a Tag Axle, they were built on the Magnum D chassis (a Gillig chassis design first used for the Marquis in 1998) ,and it was before the CAT C13 engine went to the ARD head and added DPF (emissions). Also up to June 2005 the Beavers were still built (by Beaver) in the Beaver facility in Bend OR.

Also in 2006 the multiplex wiring was first used (which is more complicated and expensive to fix) although the 2006 and up used the Roadmaster S-series chassis (a very good chassis).
__________________
Mike ----- 2005 Beaver Patriot Thunder CAT C13 525HP, 42-ft Tag, with HydraLift
*SMC-Bvr-Mnco Chassis/Suspsn/Info https://1drv.ms/f/s!AtvAXw_lfqbToxXYREK9YdBP08Jn
*SMC-Bvr-Mnco Wiring Diagrams https://1drv.ms/f/s!AtvAXw_lfqbTm0WTuuNqpn9a8hCh
CountryB is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2019, 02:53 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
vito.a's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 3,934
I agree Beaver coaches are very high quality. The interior wood work is the finest I've ever seen in a motor home at any price. The rumor was Monaco purchased Safari/Beaver to acquire the wood shop and the storehouse of hardwoods.

You should also look at Country Coach, Foretravel, and high end Monaco coaches of that era. All are built on custom chassis and very high quality.
__________________
97 Monaco Windsor- Sold
07 Monaco Executive McKinley- Sold
04 Monaco Signature Chateau IV
vito.a is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2019, 08:45 PM   #12
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 99
Marquis vs Patriot

Several people have mentioned the c12 in either the thunder or the Marquis and I admit more power appeals to me, however Im not findind many of those units. So how well does the little C7 cat handle a patriot 38 footer in the hills and open road. I dont need to go 85mph uphill but crawling along isnt my thing either.
hlagooty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2019, 05:31 AM   #13
Senior Member
 
CountryB's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Orlando, Florida
Posts: 4,474
I have not driven a Patriot with C7 but I imagine it will get the job done (it has a lot of torque).

There are similar size and weight coaches with the Cummins ISB 6.7 engine (350 HP and 650 torque ratings) and not many are complaining here about power (however the majority are probably found in coaches under 38 ft).

The C7 in the '98 Patiot was either 300hp and 860 lb-ft or 330 hp w 860 tq.

The C12 is 425 HP with 1550 lb-ft torque, and it's the torque that gets the job done.
so ....
__________________
Mike ----- 2005 Beaver Patriot Thunder CAT C13 525HP, 42-ft Tag, with HydraLift
*SMC-Bvr-Mnco Chassis/Suspsn/Info https://1drv.ms/f/s!AtvAXw_lfqbToxXYREK9YdBP08Jn
*SMC-Bvr-Mnco Wiring Diagrams https://1drv.ms/f/s!AtvAXw_lfqbTm0WTuuNqpn9a8hCh
CountryB is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2019, 08:31 AM   #14
Senior Member


 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Blairsville, GA & WPB, FL
Posts: 2,388
Send a message via ICQ to Ivylog
For 14 years I thought I was happy with a rig that was slightly below the 100 lbs/1 HP rule of thumb. Now that I can pass when I can see a vehicle coming the other way on a 2 lane or pull out to pass on a 4 lane (into a hole that’s not 2 football fields long) without holding up those in the left lane...if the Marquis checks out, BUY IT!

Using HP is a mistake...it’s torque that ^^^^ “gets the job done”. My 1650 ftlbs on a heavier rig compared to 1200 may not seem like much of a difference BUT IT IS.
__________________

__________________
This post is my opinion, worth what you paid for it.
Our ”New” ride...08 HR Navigator 45’. A nice upgrade after 14 years with a 04 Dynasty 42’.
Ivylog is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Beaver Patriot Thunder :: 2009 Beaver Patriot Thunder AndersonCM iRV2 Owners Registry 0 04-11-2018 10:01 PM
Marquis :: 1989 Beaver Marquis Beaverlover iRV2 Owners Registry 0 01-16-2018 05:15 PM
If you own a 2003 Beaver Patriot/Marquis I need your help Bob&AnnaMari Monaco Owner's Forum 8 09-03-2014 12:44 AM

» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:30 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
×