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Wannabe · 02-12-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Canter

Last time I talked about people making a glowing recommedation for a product because it was the only one that they had tried and it worked for them I was hit from all sides but that is usually the case. It is human nature to defend ones own decision and tell people how great it is because you chose it. All this does influence what other people think and buy.

It never ceases to amaze me that when polls are taken for the best RV's it seems like 95% of the respondents pick the unit they own while, at the same time, feeling that they are being objective. I guess that's just the human condition. The people that say they won't make their mind up on whom to vote for until they get to the voting booth seem to be waiting to hear who the other people are supporting. Independent research is rare to find in this era of instant feedback.

buck62 · 02-12-2012, 10:23 AM

I find that most owner sites do not give real world feedback. If you go to the Tiffin, Bounder, Monaco or any other owner forum and ask how problem free their motorhome is the majoirty of the feedback is they are a great motorhome and everyone would purchase again. The best way I have found is to search the forums using the motorhome name and model for problems then sit back and read.

BudtheDiplomat · 02-12-2012, 10:35 AM

if anything, I'd have guessed TST! I just bought a TST 507 mainly because of posts in these forums but haven't installed it yet. I also have, I don't remember, it is either a Doran 360 or Pressure Pro (to-ma-to, to-mah-to).

Monaco might get some nice remarks, but Monaco also seems to get a fair share of bashing! Maybe people do get paid to post good reports (I'm just naive enough to not have suspected it).

When I read about how rough the Monaco ride is (due to all of those hundreds of small airbags!!!), "sports car vs luxury" and all that nonsense, I try to remark because I don't like my purchase decision to be insulted. Since I've never driven anything other than a Fleetwood Jamboree, I don't comment on the ride of other coaches, but it seems like some people can. I suppose it's true, a book can be judged by its cover.

And more, I've owned sports cars. If this Diplomat rode like one of those

, I would have NEVER bought it. Well, I have to qualify that - I was so bowled over impressed because it was the largest Class A on the lot and be-you-ta-ful.

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this advertisement isn't sponsored by Doran, Pressure Pro, TST, Monaco or any of its affiliates

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moisheh · 02-12-2012, 10:39 AM

Traps : I really like the layouts of the full slide bath and a half Monacos/HR's. The dash area is well done. What would worry me would be the powerplant and the Company. Most of us on this forum own an almost orphan. So far they still support us. But other than thoes who bought just after or just before the bankruptcy we do not have warranty issues. If I were in the market I would wait until a year from now. I realize that if everyone waited the company would just close but do you want to be the Beta tester? I would tend to be selfish when it comes to a purchase of say $250,000 or more. Let someone else take a chance. I do know that the Maxforce engines use some of the same technology as the Acert Cat. That one is and was a disaster. I read a lot of the trucking industry mags that cross my office desk and the EGR technology is IMHO still unproven. None of the major HD engine mfrs. use that process. I don't think it is used in Europe either. The ISL with and without DEF is a proven item. I also know that many school divisions are disappointed the Maxforce. Oil problems and extremely noisy. Navistar is not accustomed to dealing with small consumers. They sell to large fleets and various levels of Governments. The one division of Navistar that did deal with RV'rs let them down when it came to the brake recall. That left a sour taste in the mouths of many RV'rs. But maybe they learned something from that fiasco. There is a serious lack of Monaco/Hr dealers that are equipped to deal with anything other than minor repairs. By next year we will all know more.

moisheh · 02-12-2012, 12:07 PM

Astroturfing | Posting false reviews on internet review sites | Media Tech Law | guardian.co.uk

Golden: Above is a link to one story. Do a Google. There are countless articles on this subject. Amazon is one of the worst. Some are posting for the product mfr. while others do not even own the product. The internet is full of this type of nonsense. I never stated that Monaco actually did this. I said I suspected. If you want to see outright lies on RV subjects just go to RV.net. Some posters use multiple names. Others just make up stories. The world has become stranger! I know of one poster wh started a thread and it went on for days. It was about obtaining some parts. He insisted that he bought them from a particular manufacturer who in fact never has made or sold that product. He just dug himself in deeper. Even made up part numbers. Fortunately this forum is much smaller and at least in this part of IRV2 that problem does not seem to exist. Manufacturers hire companies to monitor the net for any mention of their product. Nothing wrong with that. But what do you think they do if all the news is bad?

Traps90 · 02-12-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by moisheh

Traps : I really like the layouts of the full slide bath and a half Monacos/HR's. The dash area is well done. What would worry me would be the powerplant and the Company. Most of us on this forum own an almost orphan. So far they still support us. But other than thoes who bought just after or just before the bankruptcy we do not have warranty issues. .

Moisheh I can relate to the orphan feeling our current 07 Glendale Titanium is an orphan too. With many people having to buy new rims and or axles cause of Glendale installing the wrong offset rims on the Nev-R-Lube axles. I did have to get new rims but so far my axles have been good.

Sadly with the way the econmy is right now there's no guarentee as to who will still be in business next year, for us the incentive to want to buy soon is the fact the our Canadian dollar is still running on par with the US, a big benefit to us.

Trap

JDT · 02-12-2012, 12:32 PM

I certainly don't believe everything I read on the internet, but I, for one, hope the positive reviews are valid and that the new Monaco eventually becomes the product of choice with a stellar reputation for quality. Why? Because the selfish me wants my "orphan" coach to have at least a name link that will add some value to my lowly 05 Ambassador. Becoming a true orphan is the last thing I want.

Did I not read somewhere that the new Navistar Monaco's are made in the only ISO 9001 certified motorhome manufacturing facility? If so, that says something.

docj · 02-12-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JDT

Did I not read somewhere that the new Navistar Monaco's are made in the only ISO 9001 certified motorhome manufacturing facility? If so, that says something.

I'll probably offend people by saying this, but IMHO ISO 9001 doesn't signify that something was built with quality only that whatever was built was well-documented. As long as you have your procedures documented and approved you can build junk and be in accordance with ISO 9001. But at least all your junk will be the same since your procedures are documented!

moisheh · 02-12-2012, 01:19 PM

docj: Yes ISO means nothing. I do not see how they could be ISO as you have to have procedures that are in place when you discover a problem. They sure did not do that @ Workhorse.

moisheh · 02-12-2012, 01:26 PM

Trap: If I read your post correctly you are dealing with a canadian seller? Are they giving you the real exchange rate? Most Canadian dealers print their own window sheet and it is pie in the sky. Sometimes they use a 20% exchange rate and add in items that are included. You have to contact a US dealer to keep them honest. Who is the dealer in calgary. Back in 06 we were thinking of buying from Guarantee in Calgary. Not only did they use a false exchange rate they added in some sort of markup fee ( not shown but included.) Tha fee was about $15,000.an RV'r. We have not bought from a Canadian dealer since 1985! Even my toad came from the USA. Importation is so easy!

Traps90 · 02-12-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by moisheh

Trap: If I read your post correctly you are dealing with a canadian seller? Are they giving you the real exchange rate? Most Canadian dealers print their own window sheet and it is pie in the sky. Sometimes they use a 20% exchange rate and add in items that are included. You have to contact a US dealer to keep them honest. Who is the dealer in calgary. Back in 06 we were thinking of buying from Guarantee in Calgary. Not only did they use a false exchange rate they added in some sort of markup fee ( not shown but included.) Tha fee was about $15,000.an RV'r. We have not bought from a Canadian dealer since 1985! Even my toad came from the USA. Importation is so easy!

Moisheh we are looking at the Canadian Dealer and will buy from them if there reasonable, but when the time comes I will be shopping all over Canada and the US. I will buy local if there close, but for anymore than 5 or 6k I'll be heading south of the border to buy.

Did talk about that the last time I went to look, would like to spend the money here if possible, but we'll wait and see how bad they want it.

Trap

ottffss · 02-12-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MONGO MAN

Sales figures don't lie - If you are happy with your RV & it's manufacturer YOU buy another ...

Rolls Royce global car sales 2,711 (2011)
General Motors global car/truck sales 9 million (2011)

I guess GM owners are happier than RR owners.....

Steve Kieffer · 02-12-2012, 02:12 PM

The question was asked "Just out of curiosity, do you have any facts that would back up that allegation?"

YES< one of my nieces is making a 6 figure income by Tweeting and posting comments on the internet for a variety of manufacturers.

docj · 02-12-2012, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Kieffer

The question was asked "Just out of curiosity, do you have any facts that would back up that allegation?"

YES< one of my nieces is making a 6 figure income by Tweeting and posting comments on the internet for a variety of manufacturers.

Here's an article on how to do it: Get Paid To Tweet: The Three Best Companies