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Old 04-08-2019, 06:00 PM   #1
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Need Advice on 1999 Diplomat

Just put a deposit on a 1999 Monica Diplomat 38ft Cummins with 80K miles Are there any consistent problems people have encountered with these Rv’s? It will mainly be used for tailgating and short trips to casinos ect.......

Any input is appreciated
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This almost a 20 year old unit.... I'm guessing your will be doing maintenance on it regularly it get it up to snuff.... it will be all those little things that the previous owner has let go... transmission service... hoses and belts, maybe a fluid change... fuel filters for sure....



I know the last time I bought.... it was a low mileage unit and most of the stuff I was concerned about... when taking it out had never been done or not frequently enough to suit me....



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Old 04-08-2019, 07:40 PM   #3
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Your questions are valid.

When we "went shopping" we researched for about six months BEFORE we actually looked at units. Then, four months LATER we put down a deposit, did the PDI ourselves and knew what to look for.

Hopefully you can be educated quickly and the MH you found will be EXCELLENT!
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Welcome to the forum, Dustyglass.

Water, water, water ...that's what I tell others to look for when in the buying process of an older motorhome.

1. Check for water leaks and check for mold. Inspect everywhere you can for evidence of water and/or mold ...the entire ceiling, walls, inside cabinets and closets (use a flashlight). Seeing any evidence of water or mold can lead to major hidden problems so be aware and curious about any of theses signs.

2. Same with floors. Check all floors for evidence of rot. Jump up and down in places that are suspect like the bathroom area. Also check the walls to make sure they don't have any give when pushing on them. Check around the windows and especially the windshield for evidence of leaks.

3. Get up on the roof and inspect the caulking to make sure everything is sealed. A well-maintained roof is a good sign that the prior owner has taken precautions not to allow any water to get inside. While you're up on the roof, make sure it feels stable. Again, soft spots or feeling a lot of give might indicate rot, water damage, etc.

If you can get chassis maintenance records, that will be a very good sign that shows that the prior owner took some pride in the care of mechanical items ...engine, transmission, brakes, suspension, etc.

Check tires ...their age and condition.

So even if the motorhome you're purchasing is over 20 years old, it can still give many more years of service if it was well maintained over those years. If not, as you can imagine, you will have problems with it sooner or later.

Here is an article that gives the same advice on water but also a few other things to check as it's written keeping in mind a motorhome in that 20-year old range too:

Buying An Older Used Motorhome: How To Inspect It Before Purchase (A Checklist)
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I mean know that an oil change will cost you ~$300 if you pay somebody. brakes will run you $500 and up and axle for brakes (Shoes only) depending on what you need.

You will own a semi truck essentially . Big trucks.....Big bucks

Also water will kill the RV faster then anything as stated above.

Be sure you know what your getting in to. Many RV places also wont touch pushers if it is over 10 years old. Cummins charges $180 an hour for labor....oh wait unless you're in an RV, THEN IT'S $250/hr

Could easy end up with a $3,000 tire bill if it needs tires.

Guess all i'm saying is know exactly what you could end up with and make sure you can afford it. It may be affordable to buy but parts still cost the same.
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I’m familiar with the maintenance. I manage a trucking fleet of 70 trucks. I am capable of anything non internal engine. Tires are 6 months old. I assuming the Allison tranny is a good transmission as they have a great reputation.

Thanks for the advice and wish me luck
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I’ve checked for water damage as my last one had a leak that caused problems. Before I pick it up I’ll go over it in more detail looking for water damage. Tires are new and it appears to have been taken care of extremely well. I will check with the dealer and see if they have the maintenance records. Thanks for your advice and input.
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My previous DP was a 99 Diplomat I put about 50,000 miles on it without any major problems. It was a solid coach a bit under powered IMO as it had the ISB 275 Cummins. It has the rear radiator, I would check it real good and make sure the slobber tube hasn't clogged it up with blow by. I extended the slobber hose and attached a jug with holes drilled in it to prevent that from happening. Also check the engine good for any oil leaks while you are under there. Good luck, hope it works out for you.
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I will check the radiator out. Thanks for that advice.
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You have to look / snap pic behind or between fan blades.
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I was reading a service manual for Allison the other day... Allison used to suggest the same oil as in the engine in the transmission years ago... that was a surprise to me...


Looking at their remarks I discovered that if the engine has an exhaust brake or engine brake the service interval is 50K miles.... or 3 years... and a change from their standard fluid to their HD fluid...



With that said... almost everyone unit I looked that was under 60K miles had never had the fluid changed.... most were 10 years old... so first on my list was deciding if the transmission had the 2" pan or the 4" pan for the correct filter set... and than the correct amount of the HD fluid...
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Problems with the 1999 Diplomat include:
- the "53" block used by Cummins on many ISB engines which has a weak water jacket
leading to engine failure. Google the issue and how to identify these blocks. Avoid if
possible or set aside enough $$ for a complete engine replacement.

- VP44 fuel injection pump issues often arising from a weak fuel lift pump. The VP44 relies upon return fuel for cooling and a weak lift pump does not supply enough resulting in the VP44 overheating and failing.

- as mentioned in previous posts, the radiator and charge air cooler are subject to corrosion after 20 years of service.

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Thank you for the advice
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Thanks for the pointers
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