Satellite and TV wiring

[moisheh]

Our 08 Dynasty came from the factory with 2 Direct TV H20 receivers. These were problematic and gave off enough heat to warm up the MH on a cold day. When I went to activate one of the receivers Direct told me the card was no good. I was frsutrated and went to Best buy and bought a new unit. This is the newer black H21 or 22. Works great but Monaco wired the TV antenna through the old receiver.. There was a coax connection on the original receiver for an antenna but not on thenew receiver.Without that connection my antenna does not work. The cables behind the electronics are very confusing. Runs through 2 splitters. My cabinets do not all connect so it is near impossible to just run a new cable from the antenna to the TV. If I had a wiring diagram perhaps I could figure it out. Any help appreciated.

[srydve]

Does your new reciever have rc jack inputs? If it does you can buy a coax to rca converter. I believe they are around $30 at Walmart.

[Robi.1014]

Sounds like you might be looking for a solution for the rear TV. If true, then using a CATV switch at the rear TV would require the least amount of wiring changes. Try this:

Buy.com - Cables To Go High Isolation AB System Selector

[moisheh]

robi: Thanks but I think you misunderstood the problem. The signal has to go from the receiver directly to the TV. There are some other connections on the unit but they are all output from the receiver.( HDMI, componenet, etc.). I need an input connection from the antenna. Older receivers had this type of connection but not on the newer units.

[Buford B]

You need to place a A-B Switch in the coax between the reciever output and the rear TV. I think Robi is correct unless I misunderstand as well. This is the easiest solution but might require you to reconfigure the TV when you change from sat. to antenna.

[moisheh]

Buford: Thanks but that will not help. The receiver output is the satellite signal. I am trying to get the roof antena signal to the TV. Previously it was fed through the receiver. Cannot do that nw as there are no inputs for an antenna on the receiver.

[Diplomat Don]

Moisheh......With the new boxes and all of the connections, you're probably going to have to do some rewiring.

If your rear TV is fine and you have no issues there, then the simplest fix for the front will be to run everything direct.

I'm going to assume you have a newer TV with multiple rear inputs and offer what I did:

Antenna - You're going to have to locate this coax cable and connect directly to the coax connection on the rear of the TV. There should only be one coax input.

DirecTV receiver- This should be connected to your TV with an HDMI cable (single lead cable). There should be at least a couple of HDMI inputs on the rear of the TV. When you connect this to the TV, note what input number is under the HDMI connection, example...input 3, etc.

-Home Theater - Depending on your home theater system, either connect it via HDMI cable, Component Cable (5 lead cable, blue, green, red -I forgot the other two colors) or the poorest quality connection, RCA cables (3 of them, red, white and yellow). Again, note what input you plugged them into.

The only connection you lose is a park cable connection, allowing you to watch cable TV while at a campground. You can add this cable (coax) to the mix in a couple of ways...You can use a coax AB switch to change from roof antenna to park cable, but this becomes a pain because you have to locate the switch where there is easy access and manually switch it, or you can buy the modulator ($20.00) that accepts the coax in one end and the output is RCA connections (yellow, red and white). This would be the best method and again, plug the RCA connectors into one of your TV inputs.

Once you're done, you just go to your TV inputs and switch to what you want to watch, DVD on input #2, roof antenna on input #3, DirecTV on input #4, etc. Mine allows me to name the inputs.

I don't know if this is what you had in mind, but for me it was the simplest way. I didn't want o add anymore electronic switches, manual switches or anything that required me to get my big butt out of a chair to switch or have to remember later.

My cabinets do not all connect either, but each has a hole in the top or side that allows me to feed cables out the hole, along the cap and to the TV and other cabinet.

Hope this helps.......

[moisheh]

Buford: This what the rear of the unit looks like!

Don: Thanks. In our unit the cabinets are right to the top. The entertainment stuff is just behind the passeneger seat. The next cabinet has the Sony CD player and the switch for the Antenna. I can get into that one easily. That takes me almost to the front. But there is a dead space between there and the right hand front cabinet. IIRC Monaco fed the wires up in to the roof!!. I might be able to use a hole saw and make a hole in both cabinets. I had tried to use the coax for the outside cable connection with an AB switch. BUT I dont have a good circuit diagram. Monaco sent me one but it is in digital form and prints out so small you cannot read all the wiring. There are 2 splitters from that cable. One is a 4 way an the other a 2 way. Then it splits at the amplifier for the Antenna.I Ieft my signal generator in Mexico but coild try tracing the coax with an ohmeter. To make it even worse I have to remove the receiver and the satellite dish controller to see all the wires. I think I will call Monaco and maybe they can send me a better print of the entertainment system, Thanks for your help.

[Robi.1014]

Moisheh,

I think all of us will agree that a picture is certainly worth 1,000 words!!! Key here (but not known to us) is that your sat receiver has no RF (channel 3) output capability. Ah So.

You may still want to undertake a re-wiring effort to integrate this new box into your system, but if you are anxious to view OTA (over the air) TV or your Satellite-based TV right away, this is the box for you:

Radio Shack. 30 bucks. Take a look at the User Manual (below), and if you need more feedback as to how you might use it, just let "us" know.

http://www.radioshack.com/graphics/u...2526_PM_EN.pdf

Robi

[moisheh]

Robi: I am feeling very dumb tonight. Isnt an RF modulator used to convert the old flat cable to coax?? How is that box going to get the signal from the air antenna into the receiver being as there are NO inputs other than satellite in?? Do I need a frontal labotomy??

[LewF]

Probably way off base here but if you want two receivers to feed two TVs don't you need a sat antenna that can feed more than one receiver. I think you have to have one sat input to one sat receiver to one TV. That is the way it is on my Camelot. This will give you independent sat reception at each TV. The input to the TV is then HDMI, component, etc. but not a coax cable RF signal - i.e. channel 3 or 4.

If you just want to use one sat and then get its signal to two TVs with the connections you showed you need a converter like Robi pointed out to turn the component output of the sat receiver to a RF coax signal that goes to a switch box that can select the front or the back TV.

On a 2007 endeavor we used to own we had that setup with a Winegard switch box like shown here.

Video Distribution Center VS5312A - Winegard

Note the Sat In connection on the back of this unit is actually the signal from the RF Modulator.

Hookup would be - sat antenna to receiver, receiver component output to RF modulator, modulator out to Windgard switch which then directs sat signal to selected TV.

Moisheh, I hope this is at all helpful because I am a bit confused when you say Monaco wired the TV antenna through the sat receiver - not sure what this means. The TV antenna produces a RF signal that can go directly to a TV, the Sat antenna does not, it needs a receiver to produce a signal your TV can use and if you want a coax input to TV you need a modulator. Probably confused myself but hopefully you can get something out of this.

We use the newer H20 series DirecTV receivers and one is hooked via HDMI to rear TV and one is hooked via component output to front TV, both have a separate sat signal input.

Lew

[Buford B]

Moisheh,
Now I understand your problem. I think. The real issue is no RF out of the new Direct TV Reciever. I did not know they had eliminated that connection. As I see it now Robi is correct, the cheapest and easiest is a RF Modulator.And no the Winegard switchbox won't work for the same reason an A-B switch won't work, no RF Connection out of your new DTV box.

[wa8yxm]

The newer DirecTV recievers I"ve seen had ATSC (Over the air) Tuners and an Antenna input jack. Assuming yours does not.

Now: How does the signal (Video and audio) get from the Sat Receiver to the TV? Do you use one of the video/audio connections or is there a good old fashion RF cable like on the older receivers?

If it's got a TV-OUT rf (Antenna type) connector, but no OTA-ANT IN, then as someone pointed out you use an A/B/ switch A is the line from the Antenna, B is from the digital (Binary) Satellite receiver and the "C" or Common or Switched lead goes to teh TV's ant in.

IF you have only "other" outputs (HDMI, A/V (Red White Yellow) then you simply run the TV-ANT lead directly to the TV, Use line or HDMI in for watching sat and ANT for ota.

Hands on it would take me like 5 minutes to work this out for you.. Long distance it's a bit harder. If you are near me (I'm near Kings Island this week moving to Michigan a week from Sunday) I work for coffee.

[moisheh]

The Direct box has an HDMI output and that goes to the TV. I really dont care about the second TV at this point. Right now I think I will have to call Monaco for a diagram. Too many splitters. Thanks everyone.