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teofff · 03-02-2010, 02:14 PM

After shopping for tires for my 40' 01 Dynasty, I think I am finally down to two choices...Toyo M154's..14ply G Rated (5700 pounds per tire) or Firestone 16 Ply H rated (62 or 6300 pounds per tire)...I am leaning heavily toward the Toyo's ($50 per tire cheaper), mainly because I have 1 brand new Toyo I had to buy on the way home from our last trip and of course they are cheaper....any input on the G or H rating bacause what's $50 per tire when you may need 7 or 8 of them and of course it's for the my favorite thing to spend money on!!!!

Chuck 1935 · 03-02-2010, 02:38 PM

First, go with the load range used by the Coach manufacturer when new. Never go with a tire that has less of a rating because it is cheaper. Your life depends on it.

Barrier2 · 03-02-2010, 02:38 PM

Hi "teoff", Would you mind posting what prices you were quoted for each? Mounting..Balancing? I will also be in need of Tires for my 2001 Dynasty.
thanks
Robert

teofff · 03-02-2010, 03:33 PM

Barrier:
Toyo's...$365 out the door...Firestone $410ish out the door....

walt2137 · 03-02-2010, 03:51 PM

Teoff I do like Toyo but stay away from the G rated I dont think it is suitable for the Dynasty the front axle is rated 13,000 I agree with Chuck, You can get the 11R 22.5 Toyo M154 in the H rated that will work but it will be maxed out at 120 psi (all your rims will take) 13,220. Really the 295/80 or 12R 22.5 would work best.

Drifter · 03-02-2010, 05:55 PM

Bruce, I gotta believe that you'll be getting the white walls!

teofff · 03-02-2010, 08:47 PM

Mike:
Have to get the whitewalls...they go with the new spoke rims, and of course I've had the MH lowered to cruising height!!!!

moisheh · 03-03-2010, 10:28 AM

What size were your OEM tirews? Not all tires by any one mfr. are suitable for MH's. Yoyoy will not specifically recommend any o thteir tires for RV's after the lawsuits from Country Coach. But if you go to the Toyo website they do show 2 models that are recommended for buses. This is similar to a MH application. They are the M120 and M111. Alternatively you could check on one of the CC forums and see what Toyos were OEM from CC a few years ago. Truck tires are not the same as MH tires. Moist dealers do not understand our applications. Personally I would spend the $ and buy the Michelin XZE. Firestones are entry level junk. Just as an aside: As far as I know there are only 2 tires used by MH mfrsa.:Good Year and Michelin. Monaco Fleetwood and the rest could save a bundle of cash by using Toyos. Kuhmos or even ( g-d forbid) Double Coin. But they dont. Ask yourself why??

Moisheh

Drifter · 03-03-2010, 11:08 AM

Bruce, You could buy one more of a like Toyo and use them both on the tag axle, then upgrade the other six to a higher capacity tire. Just a thought.

Sixpack98 · 03-03-2010, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moisheh

What size were your OEM tirews? Not all tires by any one mfr. are suitable for MH's. Yoyoy will not specifically recommend any o thteir tires for RV's after the lawsuits from Country Coach. But if you go to the Toyo website they do show 2 models that are recommended for buses. This is similar to a MH application. They are the M120 and M111. Alternatively you could check on one of the CC forums and see what Toyos were OEM from CC a few years ago. Truck tires are not the same as MH tires. Moist dealers do not understand our applications. Personally I would spend the $ and buy the Michelin XZE. Firestones are entry level junk. Just as an aside: As far as I know there are only 2 tires used by MH mfrsa.:Good Year and Michelin. Monaco Fleetwood and the rest could save a bundle of cash by using Toyos. Kuhmos or even ( g-d forbid) Double Coin. But they dont. Ask yourself why??

Moisheh

I've asked myself (and others) the same question you mentioned above but the answers never made any sense. I'm not sure GY or Michelin understand MH applications either. Michelin had horrible zipper rupture problems and GY has an issue with rivering. Michelin apparently resolved their problems and the XZE is said to be a good tire for a MH but I'm not absolutely convinced the XZE is worth the outrageous $$ premium they charge. After talking to several dealers and drivers I replaced the GY steer tires on our Endeavor Continental HSL 2 H rated (16 ply) which is said to be a bus and regional tire. Much better ride than the GY's and much better tracking. Not enough miles to validate whether my observations are objective or subjective.

mark

moisheh · 03-04-2010, 06:24 AM

Mark:

The zippering of the XRV Michelins was not a Michelin problem as much as it was a user problem. Back in the early 2000's most MH drivers did not have a clue about pressures or tire life. They simply put the key in the ignition. THe XRV was also the only tire in use by 80% of the MH mfrs. That tire is stiull vaialble and we never hear of any problems. Our Dynasty has thew GY670's. Not my first choice but with over 20,000 miles we have had no rivering. If they do I will install the Michelins. I hate having tire troubles when you are thousands of miles from home! I will cringe at the price for 8 tires but such is life.

Eaglesview · 03-04-2010, 07:46 AM

I have 65,000 miles on my G670s on an 05 Dynasty. No problems other than accelerated tread edge wear on all wheel positions which I am told is due to lack of a decoupling groove. Will likely replace with Michelins within the year, motivation being age of the tires as there is still plenty of tread depth.

In anticipation of tire pressure advice I run front 110, dual 95 and tag at 85.

teofff · 03-04-2010, 10:00 AM

What an experience shopping for tires has proved to be....every tire store has a different story......I have decided to buy one more Toyo 14 ply, since I have one brand new one...move those to the tag and replace 6 with a 16 ply H rated....so, basically I'm buying 7 new tires. Now to brand...Hercules (produced domestically by Cooper Tire) is the most competively priced, with Firestone a close 2nd...but, because of all the negative publicity that Firestone received, they cause me concern, which may be unfounded now.....Firestone and Hercules tires are under $400 each...then you jump up to $500 to $600 for GY and Michelin...

It has not been easy finding a 16ply H rates tire.....