Weight of 2000 Diplomat 40PBD

[Petebur]

I just got back from weighing my new 2000 Diplomat. I went to a local truck stop and was able to weigh the left then the right side by placing just half the coach on the scale at a time. It cost me two weigh fees but at least I know how much weight is on each corner. The coach was empty with the exception of full fuel, full propane, and full fresh water. Here are the weights.

Front Left: 4840 lb. Front Right: 4700 lb. Total: 9540 lb.
Rear Left: 9020 lb. Rear Left: 8940 lb. Total: 17960 lb.
Total: 27500 lb.

Front GAWR 10000 lb. - 9540 lb. = 460 lb.
Rear GAWR 19000 lb. - 17960 lb. = 1040 lb. 460+ 1040=1500 lb.

So it looks like I have can load about 1500 lbs. of my stuff before I gross it out. Will have to keep an eye on that front axle weight.

Do these number look about right to you all?

This is my first motorhome and 1500 lbs sounds good compared to my old fifth wheel. After the wife and I loaded our stuff, it was over gross with no fresh water on board.
　

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by Petebur . Front GAWR 10000 lb. - 9540 lb. = 460 lb. Rear GAWR 19000 lb. - 17960 lb. = 1040 lb. 460+ 1040=1500 lb. So it looks like I have can load about 1500 lbs. of my stuff before I gross it out. Will have to keep an eye on that front axle weight. Do these number look about right to you all?

Petebur, The numbers are OK, your assumptions I believe are flawed.

The Gross Axle Weight Ratings (GAWR) (F&R) are not weights that you and I as RVs are concerned with when it comes to loading. What you directly need to concern yourself with is the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) and the GCWR (Gross Combination Weight Rating), that's it.

The RV was scaled at 27,500 so: GVWR - 27,500 pounds = CCC. Cargo Carrying Capacity.

If you have for instance a 28,000 GVW rail (possible) your CCC is going to be 500 pounds.

There you go, it's that simple.

[greystroke]

For my last trailer the sum of the GAWR's were more than the GVWR. For my MH that I purchased last year the sum of the GAWRs is exactly the GVWR. But no matter don't exceed the GVWR or the GAWRs. If actual weight is within these specs you are good to go.

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by greystroke ... But no matter don't exceed the GVWR or the GAWRs. If actual weight is within these specs you are good to go.

greystroke, I would have to disagree because my GAWRs are 1,500 more pounds of rating than my GVWR.

There are only 2 numbers that an RV'ers has to be concerned with (to keep is very simple) and that's GVWR and GCWR.

On a Workhorse UFO the GAWRs = the GVWR so there is no concern there & you can indeed go with the GAWRs. The UFO has a GVWR of 26,000 pounds. 9.5F and 16.5R.

[greystroke]

According to my chassis data my front GAWR is 9350 and my rear GAWR is 15500 and my GVWR is 24850 which is the sum of the two. I was very surprised when I saw this from Freightliner but that is the way it is. There is nothing to disagree with here. It is black and white on the sticker from freightliner. It is also the same specs in my "access freightliner account". Also in my Endeavor manul. So there is no mistake about this. My actual weight nearly loaded is 8120 on the front and 13880 on the rear for a total of 22000. Will re-weight on my next trilp.

Now again, you should not exceed the GVWR but you must also stay in range or the GAWRs. It is not safe to violate any of the specified ratings. This could occurr on uneven loading.

The GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) should not be exceeded for all weight including towed vehicle.

My opinion is to not exceed any of the weight "ratings" provided by the MFGR

In Petes case he did not indicate what his GVWR is so we can't tell if he is over it or not.

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by greystroke My actual weight nearly loaded is 8120 on the front and 13880 on the rear for a total of 22000. Will re-weight on my next trilp..

Golly, you sure don't have a lot of wiggle room there. It is what it is.

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In Pete's case he did not indicate what his GVWR is so we can't tell if he is over it or not.

Right you are! He does show 29K of GAWR but like we have been writing, unless we know the GVWR can't make a call.

[Petebur]

You guys are right. All those numbers and I failed to show the gross vehicle weight rating.

In my case the front GAWR of 10,000 lbs. plus the rear GAWR of 19,000 lbs. is my GVWR of 29,000 lbs. as per the data displayed on the wall behind the drivers seat.

When the wife and I get all the stuff loaded that we can squeeze in I will make another trip to the scales to see terrible truth.

One other point to consider, tire weight rating. I had a friend that found he was just under his front axle weight rating but was over his tire weight rating on the right side. I forget the numbers but he was over a little on the right side and under a little on the left. The two numbers added up and looked good for the axle but was two heavy for the tire on one side.

Thanks for the observations.

[greystroke]

I have been told that at large MH rallies there is usually someone that can measure the weight on individual wheels. I think a lot of people are unknowingly exceeding the GAWR on individual wheels and they don't suspect anything because they are withing their GVWR as determined by truck scales. So it would be easy to overload tires also.

As soon as I get a chance where scales are available i will get my fully loaded individual readings.