Where is Monaco, where is dependability, where is moral responsibility

[resindiana]

Linda
File a complaint with NHTSA at WWW.safercar.gov
Maybe with aenough complaints the gov will get involved since this is a large safty issue on a large vehicle.
They may be able to back to mmonaco or their insurance / bonding company and get somthing done about this.
This looks like 2800 vehicles at 4000.00 each 11 to 12 million deal.
Lets all file a complaint. This is a big deal.
I have also been working with Family Motor home asso to try and get them to assist us. Why should you have to pay to get a saftey issue repaired and why should the old Monaco get to walk with no responsibility.
By the way the New monaco are the same people running the show. Do you really want to continue to do business with the same people who may take a walk on you when you need them the most. Navistar took them over because they owed them big time but guess for what?
Parts. Maybe the part that is failing! Where is Navistar in this issue. They are all claiming no responsibility. Do you really want to do business with companies that opt out on you instead of standing up to the plate and repairing their mistakes. Hello Toyota, is anyone home. Again ask yourself this question.
Will the new Monico bail on me when I need them?
Will navistar or the next take over company cop out and claim no responsibility.

[Jim Stewart]

I am the biggest advocate against what Monaco and Navistar did. I think it shows a lack of character and integrity. However, many people believe that business is business and have either not been affected or have moved on.

I think any attempt to get Monaco or Navistar to accept responsibility is long gone. More than likely, Monaco's prior insurance carrier is off the hook as well, due to the Chapter 11/7. These issues have long been discussed on this forum with many different responses. I for one, would never give Monaco any of my money in the future due to my specific principles. I doubt that most who have suffered a loss would either. The best way to reward Monaco and Navistar for their character and integrity is not to reward them in the future. What goes around, comes around!

[resindiana]

It's not over yet
Call the trustee handling the case at 214-561-0950
George miller

[Diplomat Don]

I'm lost.....what are you talking about? Do you have a specific complaint. The economy killed a bunch of companies.

[R&J]

Trailing arms
I would love to get compensation for the repair. 3k+

[chattacuda]

this is all new to me; we just bought a 2006 Endeavor; what is the safety problem with trailing arms. Sounds like something I need to know about and get checked out if it applies to our bus

[azloafer]

Quote:

Originally Posted by chattacuda this is all new to me; we just bought a 2006 Endeavor; what is the safety problem with trailing arms. Sounds like something I need to know about and get checked out if it applies to our bus

Report Date :

March 10, 2010 at 07:38 AM

Search Type :

VEHICLE

Make:

HOLIDAY RAMBLER

Model or Model No.:

ENDEAVOR

Model Year:

2006

Make: HOLIDAY RAMBLER


Model: ENDEAVOR


Model Year: 2006


Manufacturer: MONACO COACH CORPORATION


Mfr's Report Date: AUG 11, 2005


NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 05V366000


N/A


NHTSA Action Number:N/A


Component: EXTERIOR LIGHTING:HEADLIGHTS:SWITCH


Potential Number of Units Affected: 451


Summary:

ON CERTAIN MOTOR HOMES, THE HEADLIGHT SWITCH IN THE FRONT ELECTRICAL BOX/FIREWALL CAN OVERLOAD.

Consequence:

CHANGES IN THE COMPONENT SUPPLIER RELAY REQUIREMENTS WITH AN UPDATED CONTROLLER WERE CAUSING THE HEADLIGHTS TO STOP FUNCTIONING WITHOUT WARNING. THIS COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE A CRASH WHILE DRIVING AT NIGHT.

Remedy:

DEALERS WILL INSTALL A NEW WIRING HARNESS. THE RECALL BEGAN ON SEPTEMBER 30, 2005. OWNERS MAY CONTACT MONACO AT 1-800-685-6545.

Notes:

MONACO RECALL NO. R05011. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION¿S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236; (TTY: 1-800-424-9153); OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.

Make: HOLIDAY RAMBLER


Model: ENDEAVOR


Model Year: 2006


Manufacturer: MONACO COACH CORPORATION


Mfr's Report Date: JUL 13, 2007


NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 07V311000


N/A


NHTSA Action Number:N/A


Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINEIESEL


Potential Number of Units Affected: 747


Summary:

ON CERTAIN MOTOR HOMES BUILT WITH CUMMINS ISL CM850 DIESEL ENGINES, THE CONNECTING ROD CONTAINS A MACHINING DEFECT IN THE WRIST PIN BUSHING OF THE ROD THAT COULD CAUSE A SEIZURE OF THE PISTON PIN.

Consequence:

IF ALLOWED TO PROGRESS, THIS CAN LEAD TO ENGINE FAILURE WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF THE ROD RUPTURING THE LOCK CAVITY, OIL AND DEBRIS ON THE ROADWAY AND VEHICLE CRASH.

Remedy:

MONACO IS WORKING WITH CUMMINS TO RECALIBRATE THE ENGINE CONTROL MODULE AND ENHANCE THE ENGINE PROTECTION SYSTEM ENABLING IT TO PROVIDE EARLY DETECTION OF THE FAILURE MODE AND AVOID MORE SERIOUS ENGINE DAMAGE AND RESULTANT SAFETY HAZARD. CUMMINS WILL ALSO INSTALL A NEW VALVE COVER WITH A CRANKCASE PRESSURE SENSOR FREE OF CHARGE (PLEASE SEE 07E033). OWNERS MAY CONTACT CUMMINS AT 800-343-7357 OR MONACO AT 1-800-685-6545.

Notes:

MONACO RECALL NO. R07007. CUSTOMERS MAY CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY: 1-800-424-9153); OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.

Make: HOLIDAY RAMBLER


Model: ENDEAVOR


Model Year: 2006


Manufacturer: MONACO COACH CORPORATION


Mfr's Report Date: FEB 13, 2008


NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 08V070000


N/A


NHTSA Action Number:N/A


Component: VISIBILITY:WINDSHIELD WIPER/WASHER:LINKAGES


Potential Number of Units Affected: 1733


Summary:

MONACO IS RECALLING 1,733 MY 2006-2007 DIPLOMAT AND HOLIDAY RAMBLER ENDEAVOR MOTOR HOMES EQUIPPED WITH WIPER SYSTEMS SUPPLIED BY AM EQUIPMENT. THE DRIVE MOTOR LINK BECOMES DISENGAGED DURING OPERATION FROM THE WIPER DRIVE ARM WHERE IT ATTACHES TO THE DRIVE ARM CAUSING THE WIPER SYSTEM TO FAIL.

Consequence:

WHEN THE WIPER SYSTEM FAILS, THE OPERATOR WILL HAVE REDUCED VISIBILITY WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.

Remedy:

MONACO WILL REPLACE THE COMPLETE UNDER-THE-HOOD WIPER SYSTEM WITH A NEW MODEL, REUSING THE WIPER ARM AND BLADES. THE RECALL BEGAN ON MARCH 11, 2008. OWNERS MAY CONTACT MONACO AT 1-800-685-6545.

Notes:

MONACO RECALL NO. R08005. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION¿S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.

[bowton]

We are new owners of a 2006 Beaver Monterey and were wondering if we need to be concerned about this "trailing arm" issue. Thank you, Roger and Deb

[azloafer]

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowton We are new owners of a 2006 Beaver Monterey and were wondering if we need to be concerned about this "trailing arm" issue. Thank you, Roger and Deb

Office of Defects Investigation (ODI)


Recalls - Search Results

2 Record(s) Displayed.
Report Date : March 10, 2010 at 08:00 AM Search Type : VEHICLEMake: BEAVER COACHModel or Model No.: MONTEREYModel Year: 2006Make: BEAVER COACH Model: MONTEREYModel Year: 2006Manufacturer: MONACO COACH CORPORATIONMfr's Report Date: MAY 12, 2005NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 05V223000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A Component: EQUIPMENT:RECREATIONAL VEHICLE:LPG WATER HEATER Potential Number of Units Affected: 1606Summary:
ON CERTAIN CLASS A MOTOR HOMES EQUIPPED WITH VEHICLE SYSTEMS' AQUA-HOT AND HYDRO-HOT WATER HEATERS, WHICH USE WEBASTO BURNER TUBES, THE BURNER TUBES DO NOT MEET SPECIFICATIONS AND COULD FAIL PREMATURELY.Consequence:
THE SURFACE TEMPERATURE OF THE EXHAUST TUBE EXITING FROM THE HEATER CAN INCREASE AND COULD POTENTIALLY IGNITE COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS IN OR AROUND THE VEHICLE.Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE COMBUSTION CHAMBERS (BURNER TUBES) WITH A NEW ONE FREE OF CHARGE. OWNERS MAY CONTACT MONACO AT 1-800-685-6545.Notes:
CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.

Make: BEAVER COACH Model: MONTEREYModel Year: 2006Manufacturer: MONACO COACH CORPORATIONMfr's Report Date: AUG 11, 2005NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 05V366000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A Component: EXTERIOR LIGHTING:HEADLIGHTS:SWITCHPotential Number of Units Affected: 451Summary:
ON CERTAIN MOTOR HOMES, THE HEADLIGHT SWITCH IN THE FRONT ELECTRICAL BOX/FIREWALL CAN OVERLOAD. Consequence:
CHANGES IN THE COMPONENT SUPPLIER RELAY REQUIREMENTS WITH AN UPDATED CONTROLLER WERE CAUSING THE HEADLIGHTS TO STOP FUNCTIONING WITHOUT WARNING. THIS COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE A CRASH WHILE DRIVING AT NIGHT.Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSTALL A NEW WIRING HARNESS. THE RECALL BEGAN ON SEPTEMBER 30, 2005. OWNERS MAY CONTACT MONACO AT 1-800-685-6545.Notes:
MONACO RECALL NO. R05011. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION¿S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236; (TTY: 1-800-424-9153); OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.

[Nonno]

Long discussion about trailing arms can be found here Trailing Arms Cracked on Roadmaster
Post #24 lists units at risk.

[nodine]

The weak trailing arms were only installed on 4 air bag chassis. If you have a chassis with 8 or 10 air bags you are not affected by the trailing arm issue. If you are not sure poke your head inside one of your front wheel wells. If you see an air bag in front of the wheel and one to the rear of the wheel then you do not have a 4 air bag chassis.

Bob

[LewF]

resindiana,

Your original post on this thread is, frankly, not understandable. I am not trying to insult you but I suggest you carefully proof read your posts before sending them and I also suggest you put your brand and model of coach in your signature so we know something about your current RVing experience. We can help better if we know what type rig you have and clearly understand what you are talking about/asking.

Sorry to be so blunt but there have been endless rants on this forum about Monaco, old and new, Navistar, etc. and their behavior. I do not believe more ranting is helpful at this point. Some opt out and do not support new Monaco/Navistar, we have opted in and have a new coach from Monaco and are pleased with the product. Caveat Emptor has been part of US law since 1817 and is still a good rule to follow - be aware, be careful and then live with your decisions.

Once again, sorry to be so blunt and my purpose is not to irritate you, I am sure I have however. On serious matters such as this I think we need accurate, unemotional dialogue to solve those problems that are solvable. Thanks for listening.

Oh by the way, I am proactively trying to find out more detail about the faulty Kongsberg brake pedal assembly and how to inspect the system until it is fixed. I will post the facts that I discover and how I deal with them when available.

Lew

[cb5300]

Quote:

Originally Posted by resindiana It's not over yet Call the trustee handling the case at 214-561-0950 George miller

Could you explain this a little further??? I thought that the deadline to file against Monaco has passed.

[ramblin10]

I understand some of the bitter feelings but here is something to consider.

1. The Old Monaco is dead. The remaining assets will be sold off and the creditors, vendors, dealers and customers that filed a claim with the court will get the the few pennies that are left but the Judge will deceide who gets what and how much- no one else but the Judge.

2. Why be mad at Navistar? It is a free market and they did not have to buy the Monaco assets and brands and by the way they were the only bidder. They won the bid for $50 million and did this when the future of the RV business was at a very dark hour a very gutsy move. Why should the rules change after the deal? The Judge and the two banks accepted the bid. The last Old Monaco balance sheet I saw had about $30 million in warranty liabilities. If that is true that would up the price tag to $80 million not to mention this would be considered wreckless from a stock holders point of view. If Navistar would have had to take over the warranty liabilities, plus put up money to re-start the new company (not to mention the day to day overhead) then they simpily would not have walked away. Also if Navistar made a lower bid to off set the liabilities then the banks would not go for it and would have forced the Old Monaco into a chapter 7 liquidation. Guess what? Then not only would SOME Monaco owners not have warranty but ALL Monaco owners would have a product that was a true orphan with a much lower resale if any at all- and no Service, Parts or Dealer Support. I am thankful they had the guts and vision to buy Monaco and will support them for this.

3. The Rv Business has others who have bought RV brands with very little outrage. How about in 1996 Forrest River bought the brands of Cobra and the same guy who ran Cobra into the ground now runs Forrest River. Bob Lee bought the Country Coach brand and some assets- Don't think you will get any warranty from him. Heartland just bought the the Fleetwood TOWABLE brands- There are many dealers with old Fleetwood Towables on their lot and guess what no warranty. Jayco bought the assets of Travel Supreme and hired many of thier managers- same deal bought assets only.


4. As far as anger toward the old management team. I understand that -but they now have to answer to a guy named Jack Allen from Navistar for almost any decession. For those of you who want blood think about this. Kay Toolson has 1.8 million shares of old Monaco stock. Just a few years ago was trading for over $15.00 per share. Now it is worthless Kay was not able to get out and rode the ship down. Do the math-Yikes.Not to mention that as the founder he had to see his company go down the drain and I am sure he has made a few enemies. Sounds like it is not a whole lot of fun for him either.

I suppose your view on this is based on your own experience I do think that most Monaco owners are happy with their product in fact most Monaco owners are not even aware or care that Moanco went bankrupt.All they really care about is whether or not they are having a good time with their RV and can get it fixed if they need it fixed and it has some value when they go to sell or trade it.