Interesting weights today.

[davydee]

FYI - Mor/Ryde weighted each wheel today. I can't recall each individual wheel, but it was interesting:

Front axle: about 6,800 lbs
Rear axle: about 6,100 lbs
Street side about 700 lbs heavier that the curb side.

I had no idea we were this light! We're not fully loaded, but we did have a full freshwater tank and we've probably got about 500 to 700 lbs or so of stuff to get out of storage and put into the trailer - mostly kitchen and clothes.

David

[InPursuit]

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Originally Posted by davydee FYI - Mor/Ryde weighted each wheel today. I can't recall each individual wheel, but it was interesting: Front axle: about 6,800 lbs Rear axle: about 6,100 lbs Street side about 700 lbs heavier that the curb side. David

That rear weight sounds erroneously low to me.
Usually weight is about 2:1 rear to front...
(probably more with a DP)

My 30' A came in at under 15,000 (4800F and 9800R)
including full gas and water tanks and some in the waste tanks too.

I had less weight on the curb side even with me in the pass seat.

[1ciderdog]

Photo is a 5th wheel and I presume that is the Excel weight you are talking about. If a fifth wheel why would there be so much difference in the weight of two axles that are close together? The axles are close together, no? I think you should talk to the guy who ran the scales and have it weighed again.

[davydee]

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Originally Posted by 1ciderdog Photo is a 5th wheel and I presume that is the Excel weight you are talking about. If a fifth wheel why would there be so much difference in the weight of two axles that are close together? The axles are close together, no? I think you should talk to the guy who ran the scales and have it weighed again.

Yep - it's a fiver. the measurements are for the two trailer axles. The rear of the kitchen cabinets sit just over the rear axle. Most of the appliances are on or are in front of the front axle (to include washer and dryer combo and a Cummins-Onan 5500 generator). We've added no weight to the rear of the trailer. What's back there is the furniture & electronics that the trailer came with. We're loaded from the kitchen forward with full freshwater tank. The front of the tow vehicle was off the pad and sat lower. That may have shifted some weight to the forward axle. I think what surprised me more is that I've got an Excel with a GWR of 18,750 lbs and 2 8k axles, but I've only got 13,000 lbs on those two axles! With the exception of some additional kitchen items, clothes, and a potential roof mounted satellite, we're pretty much loaded for full-timing.

David

[Bruce and Jenna]

My recent weights for our 33RSE
6,000 front axle
6,100 rear axle
12,700 combined weight.

For some reason, twice the combined weight was 600#s more than the total of the two individual axles

[Still Working "NOT"]

David,

It's great to hear your weights. Any time your true weight is around 3,000 lbs less then your axles the better things are for the long run. Seeing many framers and ranchers over load their livestock trailers. it is no wonder their trailers only last a few years before things start to break.

[davydee]

Discussed with Mor/Ryde this morning the difference in the two axle weights. They indicated that the way they weighted the trailer that it would naturally shift some weight from the rear axle to the front axle. They're fine with 10% difference. However, 20% difference gets them concerned. They also told me they prefer the front axle to be heavier than the rear axle.

BTW: I reread my previous reply. We have a separate washer and dryer - it's not a combo. Communication is the hardest thing I do! Sorry.

David

[rockintom]

David,

Numbers do sound good.......but just wondering why there is no mention of pin weight and the GCWR? I assume your genset is in the gen box......which would make you rather heavy on pin....just curious. rockin'

[davydee]

MOR/ryde seems to be just interested in the actual weights of the axles so they can match the rubber "springs" appropriately. When questioned, they respond as if it's just a cross check to see if all is OK (weight wise) on the trailer. (Apparently, some they see aren't - no surprise there.) As we're "sticker" with 8k axles, we'll be getting 8k MOR/ryde IS.

We're heavier this year than last - I've added about 10-12 lbs of air to the truck's airbags this year over last year to keep the bed rail level when hitched. We do plan to add more weight, though. The upgrade will level our trailer out, too. I believe we can also consider the point that by having a front high trailer we may be overloading a rear axle a moot point, too, as it was clear we weren't even close to 8,000 lbs on that rear axle.

However, this brings an interesting point you and I have traded posts about in the past. Since we now both have Michelin XTAs, what air pressure to carry in each tire is now a question I have. I believe you're a proponent of the 120 psi per tire (max psi I believe our tires are rated for). Yet I've been taught to keep air pressure to what is needed for the weight that you're carrying. According to the chart I have and the weights MOR/ryde documented, I could get away with 80 psi per tire (7,080 lbs per axle), but can carry 8,020k with just 95 psi per tire. I'm currently running between 105 to 108 psi in each tire. So, I'm considering all those choices: go back to 120 psi, drop to 95 psi, or hold what we've got. Decisions, decisions, decisions! (FYI. We plan to replace all five tires next year - just due to age. I like these XTAs and plan to replace with the same thing.)

[davydee]

Some pics. 1st view from street side. 2nd from the back of the trailer showing viewing from the underneath/inside. David

[rockintom]

David,

Sounds like may be over analyizing a bit....I wrote the book....so I know!!! I do like to run at or near the max on tire pressure....mainly cause it has always worked for me. Regarding the MorRyde IS.......just make sure you have a slush fund handy to pay for the wheels alignments, based off history I hear from folks that have them. I do really like dealing with the MorRyde folks as we had them put on the disc brakes on our old Excel at their service facility in Elkhart. Good folks. It just about killed me to pay someone to put them on, cause I could have easily done it myself.....just no facility to do it in!!! Parks don't take kindly to have jack stands holding up the rig and the wheels and tires removed!!!

Unless the XTAs get a reputation like some other RV tires....I plan on running mine 5 years.....we don't plan on putting as many miles as in the past. Right now the feedback is good on these tires.....we'll see as time will tell. I do use the tire covers on them. rockin'

[Rsteabag]

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Originally Posted by davydee MOR/ryde seems to be just interested in the actual weights of the axles so they can match the rubber "springs" appropriately. When questioned, they respond as if it's just a cross check to see if all is OK (weight wise) on the trailer. (Apparently, some they see aren't - no surprise there.) As we're "sticker" with 8k axles, we'll be getting 8k MOR/ryde IS. We're heavier this year than last - I've added about 10-12 lbs of air to the truck's airbags this year over last year to keep the bed rail level when hitched. We do plan to add more weight, though. The upgrade will level our trailer out, too. I believe we can also consider the point that by having a front high trailer we may be overloading a rear axle a moot point, too, as it was clear we weren't even close to 8,000 lbs on that rear axle. However, this brings an interesting point you and I have traded posts about in the past. Since we now both have Michelin XTAs, what air pressure to carry in each tire is now a question I have. I believe you're a proponent of the 120 psi per tire (max psi I believe our tires are rated for). Yet I've been taught to keep air pressure to what is needed for the weight that you're carrying. According to the chart I have and the weights MOR/ryde documented, I could get away with 80 psi per tire (7,080 lbs per axle), but can carry 8,020k with just 95 psi per tire. I'm currently running between 105 to 108 psi in each tire. So, I'm considering all those choices: go back to 120 psi, drop to 95 psi, or hold what we've got. Decisions, decisions, decisions! (FYI. We plan to replace all five tires next year - just due to age. I like these XTAs and plan to replace with the same thing.)

Dave

We run the same tires on my 35 mke with Dexter Air Ride and I keep mine at 108 to 110 psi and have over 20K miles on them and havent had any problems. I am annal about checking the air every day that we are on the road I keep an air compressor in the trailer.

I see yor name on the Mid Atlantic Excel group but have never see you at any of the rallys as far as I remember but you know how memories go.

Dick

[rockintom]

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Originally Posted by Rsteabag Dave We run the same tires on my 35 mke with Dexter Air Ride and I keep mine at 108 to 110 psi and have over 20K miles on them and havent had any problems. I am annal about checking the air every day that we are on the road I keep an air compressor in the trailer. I see yor name on the Mid Atlantic Excel group but have never see you at any of the rallys as far as I remember but you know how memories go. Dick

Yo-Yo Teabag!!

Anal is spelled with only one "n".....now who anal??? If I remember right...every thing you own has air suspension... right? When are you heading to SC? I've been working with Mrs. Teabag to make sure you are
thoroughly entertained while you're there! :2funn y:

[Rsteabag]

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Originally Posted by rockintom Yo-Yo Teabag!! Anal is spelled with only one "n".....now who anal??? If I remember right...every thing you own has air suspension... right? When are you heading to SC? I've been working with Mrs. Teabag to make sure you are thoroughly entertained while you're there! :2funn y:

Tom yes everything is Air Ride wouldn't have it any other way. I used 2 n"s because I didn't want to cofuse you on what way you would go with this. Only kidding fat finger and no reading glasses didn't help. Next time spell check and glasses. Spell check I haven't found on this site or do I need glasses ?
I see the one above but you need to down load it.
Dick