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08-19-2010, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim & Bona
Personally, I'd recommend that the 132 bottle cooler be located at the curbside rear quadrant to get maximum benefit as regards offloading the roadside front jack.
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Yea Jim,
That's the ticket......and I wouldn't even have to get up outa my chair to get another bottle!! Us engineer types are always brewing up new ideas!!!
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08-19-2010, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Still Working "NOT"
I don't think a 132 bottle wine cooler is big enough for Rockin. You need to do like us Rednecks and get a horse tank and ice your wine down. Then you will have more then enough supply. If not, just get a bigger horse tank and put it on the HDT your going to buy.
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I suspect with enough Oak Poop one would never be concerned about leveling or know if they are level anyway .
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08-19-2010, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Still Working "NOT"
I don't think a 132 bottle wine cooler is big enough for Rockin. You need to do like us Rednecks and get a horse tank and ice your wine down. Then you will have more then enough supply. If not, just get a bigger horse tank and put it on the HDT your going to buy.
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Like this? How much of that Oak Poop stuff do ya think this 'un will hold?
Might'n he be better off jes puttin' together a nice little still and then carryin' that on the back end of his Big Truck?
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08-26-2010, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BookIIRoadtrash
No, but a couple of weeks ago when I was road tripping I stopped at a CG for over night. I dollied down and ruffly leveled. The next morn when I was re-hooking I notice that I had one of the front jacks off of the ground , I must have been in too big a hurry to get that shower and some rest! So my rig stood all night three legged.
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We had this happen to us yesterday evening while setting up. We leveled front to back, then side-to-side using the two jacks at a time (no cross frame) approach. We found as we raised one side up, the front jack on the opposite side came off the ground. I believe what I'm learning is at what point can we level just with the jacks vs raising one side up on leveling blocks before using the jacks to finish. Looks like a bubble off on the side to side needs the leveling blocks for us. David
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08-26-2010, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by davydee
We had this happen to us yesterday evening while setting up. We leveled front to back, then side-to-side using the two jacks at a time (no cross frame) approach. We found as we raised one side up, the front jack on the opposite side came off the ground. I believe what I'm learning is at what point can we level just with the jacks vs raising one side up on leveling blocks before using the jacks to finish. Looks like a bubble off on the side to side needs the leveling blocks for us. David
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Davydee, try side to side first before you do the front to back. The front jacks run faster then the rears. I level only with my fronts and use the rears to stabilize. I use a 6" torpedo level and bubble off in 8 feet is about 1.5" to 2" from my experiences leveling.
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08-26-2010, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BookIIRoadtrash
Davydee, try side to side first before you do the front to back. The front jacks run faster then the rears. I level only with my fronts and use the rears to stabilize. I use a 6" torpedo level and bubble off in 8 feet is about 1.5" to 2" from my experiences leveling.
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Will do! David
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09-02-2010, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by davydee
Will do! David
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I don't understand here. A certain SKIA pointed out to me the Excel manual says
"it may be necessary to level the unit side to side. This is best accomplished by placing blocks under the wheels on the side of the coach that is to be raised."
"For hydraulic jacks, use the pendant that is located inside the large access door on the road-side of the coach (Figure 1) – no cross leveling."
Which I interpret as "only use the jacks to level front to back. Use blocks for side to side." While not nearly as convenient, I have adopted this method. But you guys are recommending using the left or right side jacks to level in that direction.
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09-02-2010, 07:56 PM
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Bruce don't do as I say , but I don't feel 2" is a lot of side level...I did that with the other system and had no problems. Just follow the manual and you will never be in the wrong.
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09-02-2010, 08:05 PM
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Bruce,
Here's what I do. I "rough it in", within in inch of level, from side to side with leveling blocks and then I unhook from the truck. I then level front to rear, leaving the front a half bubble high, using the landing gear. Next I finish the side to side level with the landing gear and then I drop the rear hydraulic jacks and lift the rear enough to provide front to rear level. Finally, I drop the rear electric stabilizers and that's it.
Thus, I use hydraulic jacks only for fine tuning my side to side leveling. Don't know what SKIA might think about my technique. I'll cross my fingers.
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09-03-2010, 05:56 AM
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Our rear hydraulic jacks don't provide enough leg length to do much side-to-side or front-to rear leveling. I agree with the term "fine tuning" here. We may also be confusing what "cross leveling" means. To me, "cross leveling" is using the front curb side jack and the rear street side jack - similar to the "X" used when rotating tires. I don't know when you'd do that, but I've stayed away from using just one jack at a time to prevent a similar twist to the frame. David
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09-03-2010, 09:56 AM
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I do the same now as Jim & Bona; no more trying to level side to side with the hydraulics. I just can't get the to work like that. As for the hydraulics settling, I haven't experienced that. We've been set up for about a month now and none of the jacks have settled at all. Perhaps they fixed this issue in the 2011 models, cuz I haven't even looks any of the things mentioned above regarding soleniods and stuff. We do get a lot of "wobble" in the coach whe we walk around, though. I think I'l try putting some blocks under each of the 4 jacks so the jacks aren't extended as much.
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09-03-2010, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by davydee
Our rear hydraulic jacks don't provide enough leg length to do much side-to-side or front-to rear leveling. I agree with the term "fine tuning" here. We may also be confusing what "cross leveling" means. To me, "cross leveling" is using the front curb side jack and the rear street side jack - similar to the "X" used when rotating tires. I don't know when you'd do that, but I've stayed away from using just one jack at a time to prevent a similar twist to the frame. David
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- Our rear jacks are also a bit short on stroke. I generally use 2" risers below the rear jacks.
- As to "levelling" using opposing jacks (like the X davydee describes), I'm hard pressed to see what advantage that might ever yield. This approach sounds inherently unsound and destructive to me. I'd never consider it. I would, in effect, be hanging the trailer on those opposing corners!
- While I do use a single jack to "fine tune" my level, I'm not concerned about the fact that one front corner of the trailer might be an inch "high" for a minute. Wth the way my frame is built I suspect that any misalignment is taken up in the suspension with room to spare. Although I initially tried to use front and rear jacks for side to side levelling, that never seemed to work real well. I suspect that although the hydraulic system is plumbed such that both jacks on the front and rear, respectively, receive nominally equal flow when activated simultaneously, the same does not apply from front to rear. (Clear as mud?)
- On the other hand, SKIA has the ultimate solution to this entire matter: Stay at Luxury RV Resorts, ONLY! Once again, he demonstrates why we all owe him so much respect.
Jim
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09-03-2010, 07:09 PM
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"On the other hand, SKIA has the ultimate solution to this entire matter: Stay at Luxury RV Resorts, ONLY! Once again, he demonstrates why we all owe him so much respect. "
Jim,
If we all had as much money as SKIA does, all of us could stay in the Luxury RV Resorts. As for respect for him, he has to earn it and he sure works hard at getting it with his skills of BS.
As for leveling the Wild Cargo, I used to level front to back using the front jack first, then put the back jacks done to snug it up. Then using the both jacks on the low side I would bring that side up to level. The most I ever needed to raise on side was a couple of inches.
The last time out I used blocks to get it closed to level. Then went through the same process and I like it much better. It put less strain on the jacks, bolts, hydraulics and frame.
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09-03-2010, 08:16 PM
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Jim,
If we all had as much money as SKIA does, all of us could stay in the Luxury RV Resorts. As for respect for him, he has to earn it and he sure works hard at getting it with his skills of BS. QUOTE]
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