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Old 03-30-2007, 10:18 AM   #1
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Hi again!

As you will see I sent a number of messages today that relate some of the problems I had with our 2001 Challenger over the years.

My intent in doing so is to allow you to learn from my experiences. I encourage other Damon owners to tell us about problems they encountered and how they were resolved. Our rig was built in the fall of 2001 before Damon stepped up quality control procedures so a few things had fallen through the crack. Other problems I related could be categorized as wear and tear and are offered as warnings

Hope to hear from you so we can learn from each other.

One major gripe I have with Damon is their refusal to provide us with wiring diagrams. I would be happy if they just provided connectivity diagrams without the colour codes and routing. If any one has been able to get something from them please let us know - we might be able to share this knowledge

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Old 03-30-2007, 10:18 AM   #2
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Hi again!

As you will see I sent a number of messages today that relate some of the problems I had with our 2001 Challenger over the years.

My intent in doing so is to allow you to learn from my experiences. I encourage other Damon owners to tell us about problems they encountered and how they were resolved. Our rig was built in the fall of 2001 before Damon stepped up quality control procedures so a few things had fallen through the crack. Other problems I related could be categorized as wear and tear and are offered as warnings

Hope to hear from you so we can learn from each other.

One major gripe I have with Damon is their refusal to provide us with wiring diagrams. I would be happy if they just provided connectivity diagrams without the colour codes and routing. If any one has been able to get something from them please let us know - we might be able to share this knowledge

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Old 03-30-2007, 04:40 PM   #3
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Hey Preston...I agree with you on the wiring diagrams. In 2006, Damon had a factory rep at the Rv show in Boston. I sat down with him and asked a ton of questions, one of which was about wiring diagrams. He told me that Damon didn't have diagrams available on the web but if I wrote to them they would send me one. He said that someone would have to make a copy of one at the factory and mail it to me. I never wrote to them, btw, so I don't know if that's true. He also told me that all the 12 volt wiring is run in a chaseway in the ceiling at the junction of the wall on the passenger side. I have yet to see this but it makes sense to run all the wires on one side.
I have a few things to check out and will do them this upcoming week. (I have to work this weekend)
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Chandler, The duffel bag of stuff we recieved when we purchased our challenger has many wiring diagrams. (Main fuse block, All lights including storage bays, step, slides, defrost fans, genset, mirrors, monitor panel and sensors, indash radio, home theater, awning, keyless entry.) of course me being the non electical type I dont have clue what they are telling me but at least I got em.
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The first thing you need to know is I'm over six feet tall (6'3" per University of Michigan Hospital in the mornings) so the steering wheel on my Intruder blocked half the speedometer no matter how I set it. The result is.. I got a new wheel from VIP (Vehicle Improvement Products) for a fraction of what I paid for the original. (VIP makes the delux wheel)

Now it blocks the high-beam indicator

So I decided to install a "Repeater" where I can see it (A second light) and thus needed the color codes for the wires on the column

Since this was a Workhorse part I e-mailed Workhorse, They PDFed me back and I found, alas, the wrong wire, (I now have a LOW beam indicator) the wires are not identical but to my color poor eyes.... Results are good though, cause "Light off" means High Beams
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Old 03-31-2007, 06:38 AM   #6
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W&D+3!

Wonderful taht they may be now providing this info.

Is there a chance that you could scan these diagrams and send them off to me so that I can put them in a repository available to all members?

Thanks and good luck with your new rig

All of the best,
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W&D+3:
Chandler, The duffel bag of stuff we recieved when we purchased our challenger has many wiring diagrams. (Main fuse block, All lights including storage bays, step, slides, defrost fans, genset, mirrors, monitor panel and sensors, indash radio, home theater, awning, keyless entry.) of course me being the non electical type I dont have clue what they are telling me but at least I got em. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Old 03-31-2007, 06:46 AM   #7
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Hi Chandler!

Perhaps you should write that letter so that you can get the diagrams - then we could put them ina repository for he members.

I have heard a dozen different reasons why they do not want to supply the drawings

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chandler:
Hey Preston...I agree with you on the wiring diagrams. In 2006, Damon had a factory rep at the Rv show in Boston. I sat down with him and asked a ton of questions, one of which was about wiring diagrams. He told me that Damon didn't have diagrams available on the web but if I wrote to them they would send me one. He said that someone would have to make a copy of one at the factory and mail it to me. I never wrote to them, btw, so I don't know if that's true. He also told me that all the 12 volt wiring is run in a chaseway in the ceiling at the junction of the wall on the passenger side. I have yet to see this but it makes sense to run all the wires on one side.
I have a few things to check out and will do them this upcoming week. (I have to work this weekend) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Old 03-31-2007, 06:57 AM   #8
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Hi Chandler!

I am still working my way through the mechanics of forums so this may be a repeat response.

Perhaps if you were to write that letter we could get the drawings and have them available for all members

I have seen the wire sin the Raceway which is essentially the radius cavity at the intersection of side and roof

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chandler:
Hey Preston...I agree with you on the wiring diagrams. In 2006, Damon had a factory rep at the Rv show in Boston. I sat down with him and asked a ton of questions, one of which was about wiring diagrams. He told me that Damon didn't have diagrams available on the web but if I wrote to them they would send me one. He said that someone would have to make a copy of one at the factory and mail it to me. I never wrote to them, btw, so I don't know if that's true. He also told me that all the 12 volt wiring is run in a chaseway in the ceiling at the junction of the wall on the passenger side. I have yet to see this but it makes sense to run all the wires on one side.
I have a few things to check out and will do them this upcoming week. (I have to work this weekend) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Old 03-31-2007, 01:12 PM   #9
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As for why they do not like to provide wiring diabrams, Believe it or not two otherwise identical rigs may well have different wiring diagrams.

To my way of thinking they should have put the full diagrams both elementary and schemetic in the owner's manual bag along with the 200 lbs of stuff already there. But fact is, they don't. Nobody does. but I have a few car manuals showing perhaps a dozen different ways the same car is wired, and not one of them is accurate, so imagine how many different ways to wire a motor home.
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Old 03-31-2007, 04:27 PM   #10
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W&D+3..Man are you lucky!!!! I would kill for those..I have a huge folder with all the information in the world but no house or chassis wiring diagrams...
Preston, I will write to Damon this upcoming week and see if I can't pry some diagrams from them. I'll keep you all informed.

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I am going over the road on Wed. I will try to get those diagrams scanned and posted before then but if not it will be a couple of weeks.
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Old 04-02-2007, 03:14 AM   #12
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Chandler!

Hope it works out - my life would be so much simpler.

W&D+3!

Great stuff - hopefully we can learn something from these schematics


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chandler:
Preston, I will write to Damon this upcoming week and see if I can't pry some diagrams from them. I'll keep you all informed.

Chandler </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Old 04-02-2007, 06:10 AM   #13
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When I was having some electrical problems, the refrig would not work on 12 volts I called the Damon technical service and was told that Damon did not have a Electrical engineer til 2003 production. So it sounds like We are on our own with any electrical before that.
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Old 04-02-2007, 04:35 PM   #14
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Oklahoma MR C:
When I was having some electrical problems, the refrig would not work on 12 volts I called the Damon technical service and was told that Damon did not have a Electrical engineer til 2003 production. So it sounds like We are on our own with any electrical before that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
My fridge won't work on 12 volts either, never has , never will. propane and 120 volts only. What model Damon do you have with a 3 way fridge?

BTW , pages 86 thru 93 of my owners manual is all wiring schematics. For me , the schematics may as well be printed in Chinese .The manual was code dated 3/04. The manual is for Daybreak, Challeger and Intruder so it's pretty generic. I don't know how to operate a scanner.
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