Larger Outlaw Garage (but not BG size) - will a 3808 or similar make a comeback?

[Scarab0088]

Originally Posted by JeffAZ

" . . (***Never had a #2 in the bathroom!***) . . ."

This is probably the real reason for the premium price they are charging for that 2010 3808 that you linked!

Good catch...I saw that too. Pretty funny, but it's not all pretty...the decals are failing (look at the engine cover) Overpriced, me thinks.

[Idiotfool]

Originally Posted by baloo

Great info, thanks to all.
We want a 12ft gar (1976 mg midget), but a real bed (not loft, too hard to fit in), with the patio option, plus a tub, not a shallow shower basin.

Really want a used unit due to the cost differential and depreciation.
I'll research the 3808.
Don't want to tow anything, altho those toy hauler 5th wheelers are fantastic for space!

I called Newmar and thor asking if they custom make coaches, and they both said no. I am a lititle suspicious because it was a salesperson who answered, and they possibly were just dummies.

Any suggestions of other models or if modI fixations would be possible?

Thanks.

Ironically, I want the bigger space for an MG Midget, too. That, or a 1990s Geo Tracker to tool around on moderate to easy offroad trails.

I still like the RF front area much more than the RE, which the BG borrows from. I might be able to forgive the lack of loft with what I consider the better living room. Where's my BGF edition?!

[baloo]

Originally Posted by Idiotfool

Ironically, I want the bigger space for an MG Midget, too.

You have any suggestions for shortening a Midgie to fit a 10ft garage as in the 37RB Outlaw??
I'm getting rid of the rubber bumpers of the 1976 MG, as well as putting on a Bugeye bonnet, but I don't think I can get down to 120".
Was considering how I could carve out an extra 2ft in modifying the GAR space, but don't think that will work.

Might just have to settle for a Smart car -- or just tow the MG.

[Idiotfool]

Originally Posted by baloo

You have any suggestions for shortening a Midgie to fit a 10ft garage as in the 37RB Outlaw??
I'm getting rid of the rubber bumpers of the 1976 MG, as well as putting on a Bugeye bonnet, but I don't think I can get down to 120".
Was considering how I could carve out an extra 2ft in modifying the GAR space, but don't think that will work.

Might just have to settle for a Smart car -- or just tow the MG.

I don't have either in real life, just my dreams. This is not experience talking, but the best I came up with for a standard outlaw setup would be to install a ramp in the back. Think a bit like the car hauling semis, but the steel ramp is inside the garage.



A 33 degree incline in a ten foot run gets you 12 foot length on the ramp. Unfortunately, the ramp is 6.5 feet high at the end, which might be too tall for the midget to clear the ceiling. I'm thinking it would be 8.5 feet high, which I believe is ceiling height in a loft setup.

That's all I have for you. If you make a go of it, I'd like to see. That said, I think you can flat tow midgets. Is that not an option?

[baloo]

Originally Posted by Idiotfool

I don't have either in real life, just my dreams. This is not experience talking, but the best I came up with for a standard outlaw setup would be to install a ramp in the back. Think a bit like the car hauling semis, but the steel ramp is inside the garage.



A 33 degree incline in a ten foot run gets you 12 foot length on the ramp. Unfortunately, the ramp is 6.5 feet high at the end, which might be too tall for the midget to clear the ceiling. I'm thinking it would be 8.5 feet high, which I believe is ceiling height in a loft setup.

That's all I have for you. If you make a go of it, I'd like to see. That said, I think you can flat tow midgets. Is that not an option?

Fantastic work! Certainly something I did not consider, and a great idea -- even though it might not work for a 10ft garage. I can imagine a method to tie down the car, and then hydraulically lift the front end while pulling it in.

I am thinking of cutting a section out of the rear of the ramp and boxing it in for the end of the car to protrude into.
It would also require a plate or even a heavy-duty grate to fit over the box opening when bringing the car up the ramp or backing it down, plus reinforcing the ramp.

[Scarab0088]

I had proposed the angled ramp a while back...the issue is headroom at the front when lifted is greatly reduced...probably preventing a full 33 degrees.

Cutting the ramp would require a great amount of rebuilding for strength. Thor and Damon buys these ramp/deck pre-built and weight rated because it is built as a unit.

If it was me, I would just be shopping for a 3808...like:
Damon Motor Coach

They are out there in gas and Diesel. Just be patient and willing to travel. We bought our perfect unit 2100 miles away from home.

Best luck

[JeffAZ]

Another thing to consider if you are seriously looking at a 3808, is I believe they were made with only the Ford 22k(v10) chassis, or the Freightliner diesel 27k chassis. The Ford chassis is a little underwhelming in it's weight-carrying capability. So even if you do have a 12 ft. garage, you need to really pay attention to weight.

That's why I think a new 3808 model on the 26k Ford chassis now in use would be fantastic.

[Scarab0088]

My research found the original (Damon) 3808's (2009-2011) came on the Ford 26,000lb GVWR and Freightliner 27,000lb GVWR (both had 30,000lb GCWR) chassis - only - no Workhorse (max 24,000lb).

See the original sales brochure here:
https://thormotorcoach.com/document-archive/

Safe Travels

[JeffAZ]

Ok Steve, thanks for that correction. Good to know that's how they built those, makes much more sense.

That's why you are the go-to class A toyhauler encyclopedia!