Plan Calls For Monaco Motorhomes To Be Built With Navistar Engines

[DriVer]

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iRV2.com RV Industry News The fact that Navistar is a nearly $14 billion company bodes well for Monaco, said one source. Navistar is the largest company in the school bus market and having Monaco's brands will give it a tremendous advantage in the RV industry, he added. As of now the plan calls for Monaco motorhomes to be built with Navistar engines and Workhorse chassis. In the past, Monaco built their motorhomes on proprietary chassis.

I recently visited the CCP (Custom Chassis Products) plant in Elkhart, IN last year it it certainly is a large facility which it would appear that it will remain open. At that time there were a number of Cummins and CAT engines waiting in the wings to be installed in RoadMaster and Workhorse R-Series Chassis.

In the recent past we've seen where CAT is now out of the on-road engine business leaving only Cummins in the cat bird's seat. FCCC is using a greater number of MB engines in their rigs and now we are seeing where Navistar is taking the opportunity to get in the RV game hook, line and sinker.

This is excellent news for those folks that work in the business and that live in the Elkhart area. With the many press announcements that Monaco has been purchased by Navistar and that now we see where Monaco coaches will in the future be powered by Navistar's, ITE (International Truck & Engine) Division engines, I expect that our Navistar Maxxforce Engine Forum is going to get a little more traffic in days to come.

Stop by and take a look see at MAXXFORCE Engines. Remarkable company and remarkable engines .... it certainly will be exciting to see the new web resource as soon as ITE develops RV Engine specific web content. I can tell you this much ... it's coming!

[cb5300]

I'm assuming that there'll be a Maxxforce engine coming out in the 600-700 hp range... I can't even imagine an engine smaller than the 600 in a Signature.

[two2go]

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Originally Posted by cb5300 I'm assuming that there'll be a Maxxforce engine coming out in the 600-700 hp range... I can't even imagine an engine smaller than the 600 in a Signature.

I saw a two-story house being moved four miles on TV. I wonder if the tow truck had that much power? Of course, they weren't going up a mountain pass at 75. Can you smoke your rear tires with 700 hp?

[moisheh]

Navistar does not have a high horsepower big block for OTR trucks. They will be buying the Cat C15 and adding their own injection and pollution systems. Personally I would not want one of their engines in my MH. Where do you go for service? A Navistar shop is not normally geared to working on MH's. At least Cummins has experienced techs who do not track grease into your unit. When it is time for warranty work will Navistar pay the extra time that is necessary when working from a closet access?? Cummins does. I suppose time will tell.

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by moisheh Navistar does not have a high horsepower big block for OTR trucks. They will be buying the Cat C15 and adding their own injection and pollution systems. Personally I would not want one of their engines in my MH. Where do you go for service? A Navistar shop is not normally geared to working on MH's. At least Cummins has experienced techs who do not track grease into your unit. When it is time for warranty work will Navistar pay the extra time that is necessary when working from a closet access?? Cummins does. I suppose time will tell.

Navistar just purchased Monaco Coach and they are in the RV selling business full time and I expect they will use their own line of engines to the extent possible. The MF13 for instance is a twin turbo 2010 emission compliant 475HP motor.

A few months ago I participated as an observer in a Webinar. When CAT and Navistar announced the LOA they published between the 2 companies, Navistar representatives stated that if the need for a large block engine exists, they will be using a Cummins ISX and not a CAT.

Navistar is in now in the RV selling and fixing business and I expect they will come up to speed quickly regarding RV etiquette.

MaxxForce engines handle all 2010 emission internally and do not need to add a Urea. This I imagine will be very popular among diesel powered vehicle owners. It's just 1 less thing to buy and think about.

[moisheh]

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As a small fleet owner I subscribe to 3 different OTR trade magazines. 2 of them had the article about the C15 Cat. One even had a picture of the engine and it was not yellow. The article went into detail about Navistar making the engine 2010 compliant. I would gues those articles were written the beginning of July. AS for the URea thing. The other major engine mfrs. claim that Navistar will not be able to meet the new standard with EGR technology. Of cousre this is a "war" and who knows whAt to believe.

[moisheh]

Here is a link with some info:

http://redigitaleditions.com/Olive/O...&view=ZW50aXR5

Like the article states how can they use an engine that uses Urea when Navistar is hyping EGR???

[DriVer]

... per the article ....

MaxxForce 15, based on Caterpillar’s 15.2-liter C15, will use enhanced EGR, double turbocharging, and other advances to meet federal EPA’s 2010 exhaust limits. Like other Navistar engines, it won’t have SCR aftertreatment.

I'm wondering if they are taking about the MF15/C15.2 not having an SCR system that does not require a urea.

Newell loves those BIG CATS I think those were exclusive on those rigs. Plus you really need that kind of power to move that thing!

Thanks for the updated article!

It's remarkable how quickly things change in this business.

Navistar & CAT have a LOA and it would only be right that CAT furnishes a "long block" to Navistar for emission upfitting for on-road use. During the webinar I heard - CAT was done with OTR engines. Sure didn't see this one coming!

MaxxForce powered RVs are being delivered today that are 2010 compliant and do not require a urea. There's Sunstar, Serrano and Avanti so far.

I'm not sure what the engine lineup is going to be for the new Monaco and Holiday Rambler motorhomes aside from press that stated that they will be powered by MF engines.

[Chuck60]

There would definitely be a big cost savings for Navistar to build Monaco and Holiday Rambler class A's equipped with their own MaxxForce engines.