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Old 12-01-2018, 09:35 PM   #29
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You should already have TranSynd in it.

5000 mile filter change is no longer required as they use a new filter type.
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New high-capacity filters were released into production beginning with: 6510670912 (3000) 6610205144 (4000) 7110001551 (H 40/50 EP) 6520067342 (3000) 6620002521(4000)

3000/4000 Product Families Transmissions Elimination of Initial Filter Change Requirement and Kit:

Transmissions equipped with Allison high-capacity filters do not require an initial main filter change at 5000 miles/8000 km/200 hours. However, serial numbers prior to those numbers listed above, Allison Transmission requires the initial filter change interval. An initial main filter kit P/N 29540495 (2 inch) or kit P/N 29540496 (4 inch) contains only one Gold series filter and all necessary seals and gaskets to perform the first 5000 mile/8000 km/200 hour main filter change. These kits have been
completely cancelled. Once stock has been depleted, it will be necessary to order the high-capacity filter from the Allison Parts Distribution Center.
Both our DSDP's had 2" sumps.

Easy to change the filters, 6 bolts on each filter. Filter kit comes with full instructions and gaskets. I've done it several times on the 3000MH and now our 4000MH. Be sure you have a torque wrench and use it.

Go here and enter your transmission serial number for full info, most of it useless to an owner.

Here's a link to ST 1099 that covers what you need. http://www.allisontransmission.com/d...s.pdf?sfvrsn=2

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“After I got the Magna I figured I better change the filters and replace the lost fluid. I found that my trans # was before the new filter change and the old filters said OEM on them. By then it had about 47,000 miles on it an no service had ever been done, not even the required 5,000 mile filter change. That's why I prefer to do my own service”!
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You should already have TranSynd in it.

5000 mile filter change is no longer required as they use a new filter type.Both our DSDP's had 2" sumps.

Easy to change the filters, 6 bolts on each filter. Filter kit comes with full instructions and gaskets. I've done it several times on the 3000MH and now our 4000MH. Be sure you have a torque wrench and use it.

Go here and enter your transmission serial number for full info.

Here's a link to ST 1099 that covers what you need. http://www.allisontransmission.com/d...s.pdf?sfvrsn=2
Thanks for the good news.

Using wild guess numbers in the Allison calculator it comes out to 300K for fluid and 75K for filters. I am assuming since the 5K filter change reference in my owners manual and the 1099 form is outdated because the Allison calculator is the most up to date and does not mention it.
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Check out the link to JG lube. The owner, Tom Johnson, is a retired Allison engineer and is very helpful in answering all of your fluid related questions.
Annual fluid samples are money well spent as part of your overall maintenance program.

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Thanks for the good news.

Using wild guess numbers in the Allison calculator it comes out to 300K for fluid and 75K for filters. I am assuming since the 5K filter change reference in my owners manual and the 1099 form is outdated because the Allison calculator is the most up to date and does not mention it.
What I posted regarding the serial #'s for the new filter came from the 1099 link I posted, they should be the same.
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info for those 3000 series owners -

the old filter kit #29548987 has been upgraded to a new #29558117. when you order the filter kit, make sure tell the seller to ship the latter only or reject the shipment. many of the allison dealers don't have the new one in stock. knowingly those are different, they might ship the old one to you, because they want to get rid of the old one before get the new one in.

while i was shopping mine i ran into this.
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Not sure about which calculator you are referencing but filter changes have both a mileage and a time factor. After considerable research and conversation, I have settled on filter changes every three years [approx. 36k miles] and fluid changes every 6 years [note: you will lose a couple qrts to a gallon of fluid during filter change]. Also use periodic fluid analysis to monitor potential contamination issues during the 6-year fluid time period......
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19 qts when draining and refill. Do not flush. All Allison's shipped from Freightliner since about 2004 have Trans Synd from the factory. The newer filters do not require replacement at 5K mi any more.
If you're like most folks and put about 7-8k mi/yr on the coach, what I do for mine is change oil and filter every 5 years at the same time. If you are concerned, have it tested.
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Measure the thickness of the bottom section of the tranny. 4 inch sump measure about 3 inches. 2 inch sump measures about 1 1/2 inches.
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Allison high capacity filter part numbers
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Just spoke with the Allison Aftermarket Parts Manager. Below are the latest "High Capacity" filter replacement kit part numbers. These part numbers should be used for servicing all MH3000 or MH4000 Series transmissions. Please pass this information along to whomever has the "need to know".

Note: These part numbers are directly from Allison so you can trust that they are correct.

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Not sure about which calculator you are referencing but filter changes have both a mileage and a time factor. After considerable research and conversation, I have settled on filter changes every three years [approx. 36k miles] and fluid changes every 6 years [note: you will lose a couple qrts to a gallon of fluid during filter change]. Also use periodic fluid analysis to monitor potential contamination issues during the 6-year fluid time period......
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Thanks for the link to check by SN. Looks like my 4000 has a 4" sump. Does anybody know how much fluid is lost, changing filters?
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Anybody have any knowledge of how much oil is lost changing filters? Does it increase from a 2" to 4" sump, 3000 or 4000? I am buying filters today and want to pick up some Transynd to replace it. From the few comments I've read, I was thinking a couple gallons would be enough?
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Included the entire chain where mr d posted that he discovered his transmission had never been serviced at 47,000 miles...his words....point being,questionable service history of his coach...and shown because...... just today he stated his coach didn’t require the filter change...although his own post from 2017 contradicts that...33000 posts and constant misstating of facts enough already!!!
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Way to go, quoting the whole thing...
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ISB, ISC and ISL in older models.
Pretty sure the 2020 Foretravel ih-37 will be using the ISL 450 engine
I know Dutch Stars use them now.
http://www.newmarcorp.com/diesel-mot...r/coach-specs/
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Ellipse/Tours also utilized the ISL 450.
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Think I'll stay cheap, V10.
Kinda feeling the same way Vincee. I read IRV2 religiously as I want to learn as much as I can and have always thought I would eventually get a DP for all the positives you get from a DP, but I'm coming to the conclusion, my wallet and limited retirement funds will not allow me to own one and I will just need to stick with a gaser and related noise issues (although that can be managed as many of these post have shown).

Now...if the Good Lord provides me with a BIG influx of $$$ THEN maybe I'll change my mind. (God...I'm willing if you are..)

I must say this is good reading tho.
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Those HP ratings seem awfully high. I'm retired truck driver an ISX is really one of the best. After i retired I bought a coach with a 330HP ISX. I now have 150,000 miles on it and it runs "GREAT" never any problem. I can pull a full size P/U 85 MPH with no problem. I LOVE IT!
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Cheap will coast you in the long run!
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No "misstating of facts" at all. Just what I have run into. I thought personal attacks weren't allowed on the forum but I guess I was wrong.
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You could be right RMikeLee...sigh..I go back and forth like a ping pong ball on the whole DP vs Gaser issue. I know I have done a fair amount of maintenance on my 97 RexAir and have only had it in the shop for things I didn't feel comfortable doing (brakes) and although it only has 52K miles on it (16K I put on in 5 years...so not a lot..but I'm a weekend warrior with only a few medium sized trip in between). It's just all the stories I read about needing to hold back 20K for maintenance on DP's scares me. And yet...these DP's go for 150K MILES! Sigh...I know I know. Like I said, if the good Lord is willing...so am I!!

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Pretty sure the 2020 Foretravel ih-37 will be using the ISL 450 engine
I know Dutch Stars use them now.
http://www.newmarcorp.com/diesel-mot...r/coach-specs/
But still only 1200 ft lbs and mated to the 3000MH trans which is at it's limits with that ISL.
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Just a rant by someone who has decided that I shouldn't be reporting on my ISX troubles.
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Pretty sure the 2020 Foretravel ih-37 will be using the ISL 450 engine
I know Dutch Stars use them now.
www.newmarcorp.com/diesel-motor-coaches/dutch-star/coach-specs/
Remember, the 8.9L ISL is just an 8.3L ISC with a slighly longer stroke crankshaft. Great motor as long as you keep the gross weight down, but the larger coaches need the extra torque a 10.9L ISM or 14.9L ISX can supply.

When Cummins discontinued the ISM, that left the ISL or the 12L ISX to power the heavy middle weight coaches.
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