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Piker · 12-30-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by moisheh

Although the engine is an important part of this question no one has mentioned the chassis. With a diesel you get air brakes, air ride and a true HD suspension. Depending on the length of your unit a diesel powered rig will have less handling problems.

Just wanted to point out that while this is perhaps the case with the newer models (not sure?)... our old endeavor is on an oshkosh chassis with hydraulic assist hydraulic brakes... no air anything... but still a diesel. Pretty simple setup actually.

cheers

tmw188 · 12-30-2013, 04:44 PM

What is ISB? I notice a lot of acronyms in these posts? A whole new language.

Steve Ownby · 12-30-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tmw188

What is ISB? I notice a lot of acronyms in these posts? A whole new language.

ISB is a Cummins Engine:

Here is their current engine line up:

http://cumminsengines.com/showcase.aspx?Categories=100

lymanlouis · 12-30-2013, 05:50 PM

While I understand your concern about resale, I think your satisfaction with your coach is much more important. I've run diesel and gas and will (generally) choose diesel. The primary reason is torque (I run the mountains when I can) and a secondary reason is mileage (apples to apples diesel will generally give a better MPG, if only marginally so).

I know that if I were in the market for a used coach I'd be more interested in a high mileage diesel than an equivalent gas. While systems will expire, the core of the diesel will likely last longer than a gas engine.

Still, I'd pick the coach I (and DW) would be most comfortable with day-to-day. You've got to live with it, right?

Rvnerd1971 · 12-30-2013, 06:02 PM

There is a lot of ford v10s with 200k on them it's a strong engine

flaggship1 · 12-30-2013, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rvnerd1971

There is a lot of ford v10s with 200k on them it's a strong engine

The Cummins ISB has a B50 life of 350,000 miles. A B50 life is a statistical estimate suggesting that 50% of them would need an overhaul at 350,000 miles.

The I and S indicate - Interact System and describes the electronic controls system introduced to the Cummins engine in 1998, when the mechanical 5.9 L 12-valve was replaced with the computer controlled 24-valve ISB. The B in ISB signifies that the engine is part of Cummins "B-series" line up.

But Steve O's link lays em all out.

onechaddude · 12-30-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rvnerd1971

There is a lot of ford v10s with 200k on them it's a strong engine

There probably are some pickup trucks with the ford v10 with 200k but I think it be highly unlikely a motorhome gasser to last that long. I know the one I had was worked way too hard to get any kind of lifespan like that. Not saying its a bad motor, just a gas engine is rode hard when it is under extreme duty every mile of its life.
Chad

moisheh · 12-30-2013, 07:46 PM

There are few short Class A's with hydraulic brakes. I doubt they are even 1% of the market. Alpine used air over hydraulic brakes. Not a good choice. Look at what happened when Workhorse had all those problems with hydraulic Bendix brakes. There is no real savings when it comes to fuel costs. Diesel is getting more expensive while Gasoline was dropping. In Canada there is about $1.00 premium on diesel. More like 75 cents in the USA. There is talk of a 15 cent tax on diesel fuel.

Scottybdivin · 12-30-2013, 08:10 PM

Diesels will still make up the difference in fuel cost if you compare apples to apples. You can not because they don't match up in GVWR and GCWR.

garyswann · 12-30-2013, 08:32 PM

Buy a brand new gas withe floorplan you like for $140000 and use it for 10 years and take the other $140000 and then invest it. Then after the 10 years trade it in and get another brand new gas with all the newest stuff, paint, tires, systems, carpet, and warranty.
You may change your lifestyle, the majority of the people do. Most motorhomes on craigslist have arout 35000 miles.

Rvnerd1971 · 12-30-2013, 08:51 PM

We all like diesels who wouldn't they are awesome but when I was looking the same floor plan was 60000 more I can put a lot of gas in for the diff

flaggship1 · 12-30-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rvnerd1971

We all like diesels who wouldn't they are awesome but when I was looking the same floor plan was 60000 more I can put a lot of gas in for the diff

Ya know ya could have bought a lightly used DP - made up the Diesel price premium on the new one you were looking at with the depreciation you now have on the one you bought. But no.. You had to have new. New I tell ya...

Nice looking rig! Enjoy the heck out of it. And - welcome to iRV2!

Rvnerd1971 · 12-30-2013, 10:06 PM

Thanks I would have got a used diesel very hard to find a bunk model

jerichorick · 12-31-2013, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tmw188

i know it's a topic of most newbies and I understand some of the considerations. The one consideration important to me that I have not seen addressed is resale. I worry about getting or putting upwards of 100,000 miles or more on a gas MH then having trouble selling it?

First of all, the chassis, ride and durability of the DP are much better than a gasser. Buying a coach with the thought of reselling is probably not a priority thought.

If you are just getting into this great way to see this great land, I recommend that you consider the following and in this order: How much can you afford?; Go for a DP. I preference Freightliner, Cummins and Allison.; Pick your favorite floor plans; Choose your essentials (ie, residential refrigerator, auto start generator, dishwasher, stacked washer and dryer...); Consider used over new; Consider manufactures trouble track record.

Some manufactures have a better reputation for quality builds than others. Tiffin, for example, has a great customer relations. The problem is many new buyers have to use it more often than not. This is what I get from this forum. Winnebago products are very nice and the factory service center is great. Quality control has been declining over the past few years and that is a problem for new buyers as well as used buying. My coach is all that we could hope for in our life style. We just got it this past May. I am correcting quality control issues that the previous owner ignored.

All coaches are bound to have problems. Buy with this knowledge in hand you can be prepared to look for them before you close 'the deal'. Most everything is repairable. Abuse is another story and not worth buying into.

There are many great deals out there and 'your' heart's desire can be found for a reasonable price. Go for a drive in a DB and a gasser of the same size and features. I am certain you will choose the DP. If you are not to full time, basement compartments on the slides will work fine if you don't load them with much weight. If you need storage room for heaver stuff I recommend going for the bus style basement.

Happy hunting, Happy trails and Happy New Year.
Rick

PS: Maintenance on DP's is not near as bad as rumored.