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Old 11-08-2019, 05:28 PM   #29
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No worries Cat, it's called "Oldtimers". I have what they call selective hearing/memory.
Take care
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:44 AM   #30
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No worries Cat, it's called "Oldtimers". I have what they call selective hearing/memory.
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My wife its just a bad attitude- I don't think so but its possible. Lol
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Old 11-09-2019, 06:41 AM   #31
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14-18 hrs to change the line??? Are they taking the engine out??? I had a cat guy that works for a large diesel outfit replace the heui pump and other then getting a special tool that I ordered along with the pump to release the line the entire job only took a little while. Since I don' really remember how long lets say 2-3 hrs. and that might be overstating the time. I have a Journey with 2 engine covers.
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:23 PM   #32
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I could take two naps, change the hose and catch a shower in that amount of time.
It's two -6 ORB fittings to remove and replace the hose....... My gosh, that's incredible to charge that amount of time.
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:57 PM   #33
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I was a service manager for several years and when corporate would send out a new flat rate manual, it was always way short of the truth. Times for jobs were wildly excessive for like 80% of the work. What I eventually guessed was that they took the slowest techs time (all 300 shops sent in our work records with the codes and time the job took), doubled it, and made that the flat rate for the entire system of service departments. At least that's how it seemed they came up with the times they did.

So to find a 3 hour job listed at 14-18 hours in a flat rate manual doesn't sound all that strange, if a bit high. I will say that if a customer questioned it, as an honest guy, I would let them know that it wouldn't take that long and that I'd give them the hourly rate, not the flat rate. Usually I'd look at every work order before the customer came in to pick up their item and adjust it before they ever saw it. My techs were aware too. On those rare occasions where the flat rate was less, I'd go with that.

If you see something like that, ask to talk to the manager, ask about the flat rate being so wildly speculative, than ask for the hourly rate instead. Of course it's always best to be armed with knowledge like shown here on the iRV2 web site.
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Old 12-28-2019, 09:01 AM   #34
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Heui pump oil line ID

I have a seeping hose (top),
Is this the high pressure line?
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Old 12-28-2019, 09:21 AM   #35
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I have a seeping hose (top),
Is this the high pressure line?
I believe so. That looks like the supply to the HEUI on a Cat engine. Cat has a steel replacement.

Here's a link to part numbers...read the entire thread: HEUI p/n's

I just had mine inspected ('02 Cat 3126e) by a diesel mechanic, and mine looks like it is an aircraft quality hose. No cracks at all. Might have been used only on the 'e' or might have been a test by Cat? Didn't look like it had been installed by the PO. We couldn't tell in any event. But it's in such good shape, not going to replace it. So any lurkers here with a Cat, check yours before ordering parts.
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Old 12-29-2019, 09:38 AM   #36
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Jim,
For reference, the old style "round can" HEUI runs around 3850 psi and the new style HEUI runs around 4250 max psi. If at anytime the original cat OEM hose is not used the hose shop needs to understand the requirements. Temperature is also a critical requirement. 210f or>. Burst cover is also added protection against pin hole spray concerns. Leaking sockets can also be a hazard. Any sign of leakage should be a priority repair, my opinion.

Most B and E models use -6 FFS (flat face seal) swivel on both ends. Most hose, domestic or offshore, have a 4:1 safety factor. 5,000 psi rated hose would have a 20,000 psi burst rating.

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@discovery39s: Geo...are you saying that MFF should get that hose replaced ASAP? It is seeping as he says, not leaking. So does he have some wiggle room as far as timing of the repair? Or should he make an appointment today?

And of course, that hose, does it also run at 3850 psi? Or is that after the HEUI and into the fuel rail? And what PSI does it run at if not the 3850?

Any idea what my special hose is about? Where it came from? Some test by Cat maybe?

Here's a picture of my HEUI and hose taken just a couple weeks ago. Note the hose doesn't have any cracks, and there's no seepage anywhere. I'm hoping that this hose will last another 8 years at ~5K miles per year but I'd like to know more about it:

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Yes, it is a 02CAT, 3126e in a 2003 Monaco Cheetah 3742, 59k miles

Very little space to add a filter
access is thru bedroom floor-10" x 36"
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I'd tag on heui oil line

Failing oil line- where can I get one?
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Failing oil line- where can I get one?
That is an old Areoquip part number that is most likely not available from Areoquip due to purchase agreement with Cat.

As an option you can contact any "Parker Store". They are all over the planet. The can build you a custom hose while you wait. They may not have a burst cover available immediately, but, to reduce a possible major leak this is an option.

Again, be sure it is rated for 5,000+ psi operating and rated for 210f or >.
Fittings are -6 FFS 90 swivel X -6FFS straight swivel.

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