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Old 05-30-2014, 08:20 PM   #1
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Simple? Question

I am looking at buying something like a Freightliner FL50 or 60 and am wondering what everyone thinks of the Allison in them? I am not familiar with how well they hold up, what the torque limit is for them and what it would take to put an exhaust brake on one? There always is the possibility of a 9 or 10 speed too, but I find a bunch with the auto and want real world info, so tell me what you think, please!
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Old 05-30-2014, 10:46 PM   #2
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To the best of my knowledge the Allison 3000/4000 series in use in the FL 50/60 is the same trans as in every diesel pusher on the road. 95% equipped with an exhaust or engine brake.
Unless you meant , Hydraulic retarder , now that's different .
Torque limit info on the Allison transmission web site.

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Allison makes very fine transmissions. in fact, There is an old saying

If someone says "I have a ____ and I really like it, you should buy one" consider but.. Keep searching

If someone says "I have a ____ and it's a piece of junk" Listen to them cause .. Well, they are likely right (I have heard exceptions to that).

But when it comes to transmissions..

If FORD says the Allison is best.. I'd listen.. Ford's latest automatic transmission they billed as "The answer to the Allison" which tells me that Allison is best.. and I'd listen to them

I drive a Gasser, 8.1L Vortec with an Allison bolted to it.
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Thanks for the link. Every time I try to get to the ratings I get an error of "access denied". Ah, the story of my life........
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Searched the site , boy has it changed since the last time I was there, hate it when they do that.
Got these though. and of course I lost one.
I'll be back.
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Thank you sir! I appreciate the brochure!
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I may not need to be concerned about the Allison......... I am going to go look at a 1999 Freightliner FL70 with the 8.3/10 speed with air ride. I will need to do a few 'modifications' to make it what I want, but the guy only wants $4000 for the truck. Says he doesn't need it anymore so he just wants it out of his yard. We shall see...
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I decided not to go for the FL70. I just had a gut feeling that things weren't quite on the up and up. 300k miles, lack of pictures, claim of road worthiness, etc., etc. I may still have something in the works, but it will be a while before I know.
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MnTom.. If the offer offends your nose (Smells funny).. Well.... Take the one that does not smell bad is all i can say.

Hope you like your new home on wheels.. Sounds like your nose is .. working properly.
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I decided not to go for the FL70. I just had a gut feeling that things weren't quite on the up and up. 300k miles, lack of pictures, claim of road worthiness, etc., etc. I may still have something in the works, but it will be a while before I know.
Tom,

You may wish to find an appropriate used box truck (fl 60-70 or M2 106) in a truck paper, the take it to Crew Chief Convervsions Ltd. - Your Custom Sleeper and Truck Body Builder - Located in Mississauga,Ontario,Canada

They will build on your truck whatever you want. Have had one for 5 years with the best of success.

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Tim, I appreciate the response, but when I find the 'right' truck I will probably be doing the work myself with the help of my son in law. He is a professional welder and fabricator so it shouldn't (I hope!) be a problem. I don't need anything much more that a one ton truck, but the FL series has a stronger and longer lasting drive train and they are less expensive to purchase too! I havs found '02 FL70 trucks for under $12k.
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Tim, I appreciate the response, but when I find the 'right' truck I will probably be doing the work myself with the help of my son in law. He is a professional welder and fabricator so it shouldn't (I hope!) be a problem. I don't need anything much more that a one ton truck, but the FL series has a stronger and longer lasting drive train and they are less expensive to purchase too! I havs found '02 FL70 trucks for under $12k.
I'd look at the older Mechanically injected diesels my self.
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I'd look at the older Mechanically injected diesels my self.
You a mind reader??LOL Actually, I have owned a 1996 Cummins 5.9 for the last 13 years. I learned a fair amount about how to make them run better. I took my truck from 180 hp 420 tq (stock) to 365hp and 833 tq at the rear wheels. Then I added propane so I don't know yet what the final numbers are. I am looking for about a 1997 (last year for the P-7100 pump) Freightliner FL50 with an Allison in it. Then put a flat bed on and a hitch. I would settle for an FL60 or even a 70, but they would be a bit of overkill.
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You a mind reader??LOL Actually, I have owned a 1996 Cummins 5.9 for the last 13 years. I learned a fair amount about how to make them run better. I took my truck from 180 hp 420 tq (stock) to 365hp and 833 tq at the rear wheels. Then I added propane so I don't know yet what the final numbers are. I am looking for about a 1997 (last year for the P-7100 pump) Freightliner FL50 with an Allison in it. Then put a flat bed on and a hitch. I would settle for an FL60 or even a 70, but they would be a bit of overkill.
I drive school buses. My school district has
(3) 95/96 B-700 Fords with 5.9L "C" engine as their spare buses.
There are (11) internationals all 1999 and older, oldest is about a 1994 .
and (12) Freightliners all 1999 and newer.
The mechanics spend about equal time on all 3 brands for maintenance.
But the Freightliners far outpace the other 2 on repair time.
The money spent on parts on the Freightliners is 5 time the others combined.
All of The Freightliners are all driven less miles than the others.

Freightliner always get the lowest bid on the school busses. BECAUSE
Freighliners are the cheapest built and by far the most complex and least reliable.
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