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Old 06-07-2003, 06:54 AM   #15
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I'm registered in TX. My RV weighs 32,000. The DMV manual states that anything over 26000 pounds requires a CDL. Class B for motorhomes in lieu of Class A for commercial. This is not hard. If you can't pass this, you should not be on the road. Each state is different.

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Old 06-07-2003, 07:55 PM   #16
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The question here becomes: "Does a endorcement on the drivers liscense really indicate you know what to do when you have airbrakes or is it an indication that you can read well?...Is the state really testing your knowledge or your reading ability?.....geof
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Old 06-08-2003, 05:58 AM   #17
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http://www.roadwars.com/otc/ab/

Here is a website that has some sample questions on Airbrakes...
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Old 06-08-2003, 01:06 PM   #18
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Humm,

I've been looking at the Louisiana administrative code and come to the conclusion that I'm likely legal in LA if I'm not using the bus for commercial purposes (even though it is registered as a bus). Likely, if pulled over the State Police (wherever I am going) may disagree. However, the point is arguable.

The point that geoff brings up is a favorite of mine. Does a license (or certificate or whatever) imply competence. Long ago I met a geologist who stated that someone having an engineering degree only implied an ability to learn (not competence or knowledge). I mostly agree. A CDL with Air Brake endorsement implies that someone was exposed to the requiements in the law (not that they understand what they were exposed to or that they comply). I've often wondered about things like licenses and inspection stickers versus someone who cares about the intent of the law.

Often times running down the road with my popup I look at a 35' motorhome with a guy in it, who my prejudices indicate is marginal to operate a car, and wonder why the law lets anyone in LA run on the road with 15,000 plus of vehicle and probably no competence. I guess states rationalize that there aren't very many of them out there therefore the risk is limited, but ...

I hear your commentary. I guess before I buy my bus I need to increase my knowledge level on busses (air brakes et. al.). Not becasue of the law, not that I can help the fact that many may not be comptent to run their vehicles on the road, but because I need within myself to be the best I can be.

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I did see a guy in Fla. that was 80-85 years old and driving a 1/2 million dollar VanHool...it had everything...including maids quarters.....OMG!...geof
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Old 06-09-2003, 03:36 AM   #20
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My mom has a CDL because she works for the Headstart program (sorta like a kindergarten) and she has to be able to drive the bus. You do not want to ride with my mom driving...she scares me. I've known too many bad drivers that were licensed that I don't put much stock in licensing procedures. But the fact remians that most states do not require you to have a CDL license or any special license to drive private hiway coach, regardless or air brakes or weight or length. You can go to special driving schools to learn how to drive your large RV. Of course you have to find what state they are in since there are only a couple. Any capable driver will follow common sense rules. Of course thatere's not too much common sense out there which is part of the reason we got the Eagle instead of a "stick-n-staples" motorhome. The windows for our bus came out of a wrecked Winnie..I saw the inside of that thing!!!

The guy who started this thread first just needs to get his bus home...he doesn't need a special license to do that. When he gets it home and starts converting, he will find out about the "Bus Nuts" and the many boards. He will learn what he needs and how to drive. Hopefully he will go to the articles on the Bus Nuts Online site and read RJ's article on "Shifting" BEFORE he goes to get his bus.

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Old 06-09-2003, 01:42 PM   #21
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WARPATH:
Nick -
Actually, there is a air brake endorment to the the CDL license. So you have Class A,B & C CDL and then the following endorsements to your CDL specific to your application.
(P) Transporting passengers, air brakes, combination vehicles, (T) doubles & tribles, (N) Tankers & (H) Hazadous.

Now in New York I heard there is a motorhome endorsement that you must get to your standard drivers license. Anyone here this?

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Bill, living in NY I know of NO such requirements. My Father-in-law has a class A motorhome and has no special "add-ons" to his licence. I on the othere hand have a CDL class B with air and passenger endorsments.
I believe all drivers should have to take a road test before hitting the road with these large MHs.
edit: we must also remember that these MHs are also towing a car behind them.
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Old 06-09-2003, 07:25 PM   #22
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All you guys advocating the CDL license...You do realize that the laws pertaining to most driving offenses are much stricter with a CDL than with a standard driver's license?

Hey, If you need a CDL to drive a larger coach then why shouldn't you have to be able to tear your vehicle down to the bare frame and rebuild it???

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Old 06-10-2003, 04:29 AM   #23
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lorna:
All you guys advocating the CDL license...You do realize that the laws pertaining to most driving offenses are much stricter with a CDL than with a standard driver's license?

Hey, If you need a CDL to drive a larger coach then why shouldn't you have to be able to tear your vehicle down to the bare frame and rebuild it???

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Lorna, I am not saying you should need a CDL licence, I am saying that if you are going to drive a vehicle(no matter what type) of the size of a class A coach, then it is only fair to the general population that you know how to handle it. I'm not 55 yet, but I am in favor of mandatory road test for ALL drivers when they reach age 55, we all have bad habits that need to be addressed.

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Old 06-10-2003, 05:11 AM   #24
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rigger:
You should know how to test the adjustment of the brakes and how to adjust the slack adjusters, drain the moisture from the tanks, how to brake on steep downgrades to avoid fading, proper bleed off rates, the list goes on and on....
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Old 06-10-2003, 05:23 AM   #25
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CDL vs Class D is a subject that is hotly debated on the bus boards. About every other month it turns into a screaming match on whether or not it is required, whether or not it should be required, what states require CDL's, what state don't require CDL's, and on and on. Of course also on the bus boards about 80% agree that "sticks-n-staples" rigs should be banned from the roads as being hazardous. Point of view has nothing to do with it. In the state of TN, We are legal. In most states we are legal. In the states that we aren't legal...we are tagged in TN, we follow TN vehicle licensing/registration laws & are covered by those laws in any state that we drive in.

As far as what SHOULD be...I think that if you are caught 1 time driving drunk you should loose your license for 90 days. Second time should be permanent. Does this happen in any state that you know of??? I think not. If you feel that RV driver's should be "trained" then you should take classes. I know of too many folks that can pass a driving test but drive like they left their brains at home (even in small passenger cars). I figure that as long as I'm legal then I won't worry about it.

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Old 06-10-2003, 05:52 AM   #26
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeeper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rigger:
You should know how to test the adjustment of the brakes and how to adjust the slack adjusters, drain the moisture from the tanks, how to brake on steep downgrades to avoid fading, proper bleed off rates, the list goes on and on....
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Where can we learn this?
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Although the information contained in this manual is for the Pennsylvania CDL, the general driving instructions including testing and operating air brakes is very well written.

Locally, you can pick up a free copy of the manual, but for those outside PA, just download a copy at this link and spend some time reading over the instructions.

Drivers Training Manual

Most of the drivers manual is interesting, but Section 5.0 specifically deals with operation of air brakes. It covers all the aspects of airbrake systems that you could ever want to know.

I have high speed printing equipment available, and since the manual is printable, I'd be happy to print out copies of these manuals if anyone going to the national rally wants one.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by George Miklas:
Nick, I respectfully disagree. My understanding of CDL legislation is that license requirements are based upon the current titling. So since he is buying a "bus", then his temporary tag will be for a "bus", and therefore, he is required to have a Class B CDL with P endorsement.

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George, without digging deeper, I am confident you are right, I always get it mixed up with those small van type buses that seat less than 15, Our drivers are ALL required to have a CDL B with a P and airbrake endorsements, regardless of what they are driving,even our office staff have to have it (district policy)

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