11 years no brake fix?

[mfire1339]

1999 problem identified by Bosch and here we are .....waiting for parts, give me a break...!

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by mfire1339 1999 problem identified by Bosch and here we are .....waiting for parts, give me a break...!

What you are seeing in that PDF is a condition that has been addressed by WCC with the release of the 50401-C Recall which has largely been completed. This campaign applied to the named ZOPS type brake calipers.

The new recall supersedes that and all of the ZOPS calipers are included in the 50901-C voluntary recall that has recently been published.

[mfire1339]

Driver, My point is Bosch and Spartan was fixing those chassis by replacing calipers and pads for "sticking pistons". Not lubing or replacing pins per Workhorse. Bosch already identified the sticking pistons.

Mike

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by mfire1339 Bosch already identified the sticking pistons.

Mike . Please check the timelines again and the amount of vehicles affected.

The 50401-C dated 07/04 preceded the Spartan recall. Workhorse being a component of the initial recall and no way near a majority player in all of this and had the Bosch recall on RV chassis completed along with thousands of other school busses and commercial vehicles.

The Spartan recall was dated November of 2005 and only affected 143 of their vehicles. The Spartan recall was ordered after the WCC recall was underway.

I can't speak for NHTSA if they ordered the replacement of calipers by 11/05.

The resolution in both cases was ordered by NHTSA. If you are offering dialog that NHTSA was negligent in the initial recall when they called for a caliper replacement in 2005, perhaps your right. NHTSA quite possibly should have ordered a recall in 2004 for caliper replacement however I haven't seen that.

In the recall documentation it states that the "WCC is conducting a safety recall campaign to apply the Bosch repair remedy to involved vehicles." The remedy or description I believe is posted in the Bosch Caliper Manual. Check the stickies.

[edgray]

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Originally Posted by mfire1339 Driver, My point is Bosch and Spartan was fixing those chassis by replacing calipers and pads for "sticking pistons". Not lubing or replacing pins per Workhorse. Bosch already identified the sticking pistons. Mike

mfire 1339: Thanks for bringing this Spartan recall to us.

In the interest of full disclosure, Spartan began their recall in January 2005, so your thread title is a bit misleading, IMO.

When Workhorse addressed the ZOPS caliper issue in July 2004, PRIOR to the Spartan recall you reference, WCC issued recall 50401-C. It was to "apply the Bosch repair remedy to involved vehicles" and that recall lists the chassis vin #s that were affected.

Now we are waiting on recall 50901-C to begin, and for BOSCH to supply their latest "remedy" to correct ongoing problems with their pin slide calipers. This latest recall includes the chassis that were affected by the previous recall, so it appears that the previous "remedy" didn't totally eliminate the potential problem. Like you, I too am dismayed that a world leader in brake technology such as Bosch, apparently requires so much time to "get it right" for an RV application of their product. FWIW, I think a reason this recall is taking so long is that BOSCH and WCC do not want to revisit the braking issue ever again. ED

ON EDIT: I'm sorry if this post by me appears to be "piling on". When I was writing it, I had not seen the post #4 by DriVer (immediately above this) which is making many of the same points as mine. I didn't see his until mine posted. ED

[mfire1339]

Ed, No problem I don't feel piled upon. The 11 year statement is because these calipers were 1999 vintage with the spartan chassis and they continue to make them?

Mike

[Fred and Bonnie]

Mike, it's taken so long because unlike Toyota, this issue has not suffered any fatalities.

Ray LaHood the US Secretary of Transportation publicly stated that "any recall" means the vehicle has an unsafe condition.

Just not a priority with WCC.

Fred

[EngineerMike]

I'm pretty sure it is a priority w/WH, unless they are dead from the neck up (and I'm pretty sure they are not). They just don't have any juice w/Bosch to kick this thing along. My suspicion is that of the 3 possible liability scenarios (WH chose the brakes turn-key in house, Bosch specified brakes that "would work for those chassis' lines," or some combo of the two), that WH did the specification unaided and therefore has full liability for the fix (more importantly Bosch does not). If true, Bosch can take their sweet time to make sure all aspects are considered, proof-of-concept tested, beta tested, road tested, drug tested, sniff tested, etc., because this time WH learned its lesson and Bosch is on the hook. This is the only business scenario I can envision that explains the delays and the customer aggravation. If WH had leverage on Bosch then Bosch would be under the gun. All it would take is for one of those wheel end fires to pop thru to the coach, overtake the occupants w/the toxic black smoke from the many highly flammable materials our coaches are made from, and this would be a very different picture. If Bosch were under that gun, things would have to be on a track way more similar to Toyota's. If WH is under that gun and Bosch is kindly engineering motorhome-specific brake solutions on the fly, naturally they don't want to be rushed.
Or maybe I'm wrong, in which case I don't have a clue what the lack of urgency is about.

[wa8yxm]

One thing I'm not sure of.. You say BOSCH knew of this problem in 1999.. Did WORKHORSE?

Now a very good question is this: If BOSCH knew of the problem in 1999, whey did they not do something about it in 1999? And why are we ragging on Workhorse when it's BOSCH's problem?

Toyota also knew several years ago about the problems that plague them

And people have DIED waiting for Toyota to admit to the problem.

As someone pointed out up-thread. nobody died thanks to workhorse yet.

[Arch Hoagland]

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Originally Posted by wa8yxm One thing I'm not sure of.. You say BOSCH knew of this problem in 1999.. Did WORKHORSE? Now a very good question is this: If BOSCH knew of the problem in 1999, whey did they not do something about it in 1999? And why are we ragging on Workhorse when it's BOSCH's problem? Toyota also knew several years ago about the problems that plague them And people have DIED waiting for Toyota to admit to the problem. As someone pointed out up-thread. nobody died thanks to workhorse yet.

I'll probably die of old age waiting for them to fix it!!!!

[texans]

We were hoping to get the recall done while here in the Rio Grande Valley for our winter visit, now hoping to get it done during next winters visit. 2 miles from WH center down here, 100 miles from WH center at home.

Richard

[Spoonman]

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Originally Posted by texans We were hoping to get the recall done while here in the Rio Grande Valley for our winter visit, now hoping to get it done during next winters visit. 2 miles from WH center down here, 100 miles from WH center at home. Richard

Same deal here in fl,good luck to all of us on being ready for next yrs winter trips

[abarkl]

And some of us are waiting to get the recall done so we can safely drive our RVs again!

[Sailshak]

I have, basically, an entirely new brake system. Lines, roters, calipers, master cylinder, the dreaded parking brake (that I believe, clamps down on the transmission??), Even with the 2 yr/24,000 mile warranty I bought when I purchased my 99 Pace Arrow in July 2008, I ended up $1,500 out of pocket. Now, you are saying that there is a recall on this?

I would love to know what they will do.