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Old 06-15-2014, 09:16 PM   #1
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Are these calipers the recalled calipers or original

This week I experienced the dreaded brake failure that the WH W-22 chassis had a recall issued for. Fortunately the brakes went completely spongy after I parked and turned off the Simba then went to start it up again a few minutes later.

Symptoms - brake pedal would go all the way to floor, ABS light was on and the message 'Check ABS' and 'Brake Failure' were displayed. Since I was already at the campground I pulled into the spot and setup, then, on Saturday I ran 2.5 qts of brake fluid through the lines - the brakes appear to be working now and I was able to get home (fortunately only 20 miles away, most of which is interstate).

The brakes worked fine but I tried to limit their usage.

While under the RV I took pictures of the caliper. The dealer said the recall had been done, but, frankly, I doubt them.

So, are these calipers original or the recalled calipers?

Driver side front:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...ontcaliper.jpg

Driver side rear:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...earcaliper.jpg

Passenger side front:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...ontcaliper.jpg

Passenger side rear:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...earcaliper.jpg

That calipers that appear wet were from 409 cleaner sprayed on them. The passenger rear some of the brake fluid I was draining leaked from the bleeder valve while bleeding. All of the calipers were bone dry when I got under there and the problem was not low fluid (I checked - levels were normal).

This appears to be the classic symptoms of the first bad calipers, but can someone confirm that these are the original brakes?
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:45 PM   #2
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This week I experienced the dreaded brake failure that the WH W-22 chassis had a recall issued for....... While under the RV I took pictures of the caliper. The dealer said the recall had been done, but, frankly, I doubt them.

So, are these calipers original or the recalled calipers?

Driver side front:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...ontcaliper.jpg

Driver side rear:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...earcaliper.jpg

Passenger side front:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...ontcaliper.jpg

Passenger side rear:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...earcaliper.jpg



This appears to be the classic symptoms of the first bad calipers, but can someone confirm that these are the original brakes?


From your pictures, it appears to me that only the front calipers are of the "new" design, because we were told that all the "new" calipers would have A DATE CODE stamped JUST BELOW THE CASTING NUMBER, which is molded in the cast housing. The numbers appear to be stamped only on the ones you described as "front". If you will provide me the last eight (8) characters of the vin #, I'll see if I can determine what the WCC records show.

IF the rears were not done, that could explain the symptoms you experienced.
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From your pictures, it appears to me that only the front calipers are of the "new" design, because we were told that all the "new" calipers would have A DATE CODE stamped JUST BELOW THE CASTING NUMBER, which is molded in the cast housing. The numbers appear to be stamped only on the ones you described as "front". If you will provide me the last eight (8) characters of the vin #, I'll see if I can determine what the WCC records show.

IF the rears were not done, that could explain the symptoms you experienced.
Thanks Ed - I'll get the VIN. When I entered it into the Workhorse recall site, it said it was affected, but I don't know if 'affected' means that the recall was never done or if it always says that if the chassis was one that part of the recall.

Next question: if the rears are not done and the recall wasn't performed, is it too late to get them covered under the recall campaign?

Finally, if not, is it possible to replace the calipers without pulling the wheels?
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Thanks Ed - I'll get the VIN. When I entered it into the Workhorse recall site, it said it was affected, but I don't know if 'affected' means that the recall was never done or if it always says that if the chassis was one that part of the recall.

The website only shows "which" chassis were recalled, not if the campaign was completed, or not.

Next question: if the rears are not done and the recall wasn't performed, is it too late to get them covered under the recall campaign?

NO, the federal recall lasts indefinitely and NAVISTAR is still responsible to COMPLETE the recall at a Workhorse ASC.

Finally, if not, is it possible to replace the calipers without pulling the wheels?

The tires and rims MUST be removed to change the calipers. This is NOT a DIY project, IMO, and even if you did, that would not satisfy the recall.
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Last 8 of my VIN:
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In addition to the date stamp Ed mentioned above, the replacement calipers were silver in color.
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That chassis is a 2005 W22. WCC records show that the Bosch Brake Recall has NOT been completed. IMO, that means that NAVISTAR owes you four (4) new calipers and free installation by a Workhorse ASC. YOU will most likely have to pay for any new pads, rotors, etc. (if needed), unless the dealer can provide proof that these other parts were collaterally damaged by faulty calipers.

As to how you apparently have 2 of the new design calipers on the front, but not the rear, there is nothing in the warranty records, so they "may" have been installed by a previous owner who was unaware of the recall. I really don't know......, but I would make an appointment with the ASC of your choice, take it in, and have all four calipers replaced to complete the recall-ASAP.
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