Brake Manufacture

[travel]

If our 04 W-22 Bounder does not have Bosch brakes, Then what does it have? If it is Bosch, then why do some have trouble and others do not?

[-Gramps-]

It has Bosch brakes, as to why you are not having trouble that is a very good question. How long does the rig sit between trips? What are your driving habits like? Do you downshift and use the engine to help brake or do you just brake? What type of maintainece do you do on your brakes if any? Do you use a supplemental braking system in your tow car? Do you wash your rig wheels which helps to clean the ABS sensors? There are so many factors that could cause a problem or help not to cause one. If anyone knows for sure, they ain't saying yet.

[travel]

Gramps-Drive about 60 mph, down shift, plenty of room between vehicles, try to remember that we're in NO hurry, clean the wheels when I wash the MH but no maintenance to the brakes AS yet. Thanks for your insite and information! Be safe!

[jdsr]

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Originally Posted by -Gramps- It has Bosch brakes, as to why you are not having trouble that is a very good question. How long does the rig sit between trips? What are your driving habits like? Do you downshift and use the engine to help brake or do you just brake? What type of maintainece do you do on your brakes if any? Do you use a supplemental braking system in your tow car? Do you wash your rig wheels which helps to clean the ABS sensors? There are so many factors that could cause a problem or help not to cause one. If anyone knows for sure, they ain't saying yet.

Boy, there sure is alot of questions pointing to the owners. May I be so bold as to ask a few myself? Did workhorse install a brake system that is to small for our mh's? Did workhorse state in our owners manual how often we should use our mh or our brakes would fail? Does workhorse have a manual on how to correct our driving habits( I bet ford is glad these guys with these driving habits, who had brake failures didnt buy their chassis)? Did workhorse explain in the owners manual how to wash my wheels and I did'nt get the memo? And last but not least, I guess the mh's that dont tow but had brake issues need to install a supplemental brake system.
I dont know the answers either and since I've had 3 failures, I am waiting on answers from nhtsa myself.

[-Gramps-]

Okay, jdsr why do YOU think Travel hasn't had a failure? Whoose fault is it when the brakes work?

Just for edification:

Symptoms of a foulded or dirty Speed Sensor are that the brake will drop down in segments and act erratic. It almost seems like pressure is applied and something breaks and the pedal will drop down before engaging a second or third time. If these are your symptoms, odds are you have dirty
sensors and they are not properly detecting the speed of the wheel believing it has stopped and reporting you to the ECU that you have lost traction. to that wheel.

[jdsr]

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Originally Posted by -Gramps- Okay, jdsr why do YOU think Travel hasn't had a failure? Whoose fault is it when the brakes work? o that wheel.

I dont know and you dont either But I surly wont blame PEOPLE I DONT KNOW driving habits, lack of use, lack of service, how they use their trans, and how they wash there wheels. To the op, If I were you I would wait for the results from the nhtsa or you can go here www.nhtsa.gov and read the test results they have so far.

[-Gramps-]

Oh....man, I just bit my tongue. Hold on a second, I think it quit bleeding, yea, I'm fine now.
Sure I'll go read those reports, again, reports submitted by a bunch of people I don't know except for one..me!

The day I had my failure, I was riding the brakes, wasn't down shifting and forgot to turn on my toad brake so guess what? I think my brake failure was my own fault. I think it almost cost me 2200 bucks because the service center was trying to rip me off and would have, if I given into the scare tactics and replaced two sets of rotors and calipers. Now I don't think my failure has anything to do with anybody's elses, but it did make me change my driving habits.

(oops, I am being a smarty alec again)

[jdsr]

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Originally Posted by -Gramps- Oh....man, I just bit my tongue. Hold on a second, I think it quit bleeding, yea, I'm fine now. Sure I'll go read those reports, again, reports submitted by a bunch of people I don't know except for one..me! The day I had my failure, I was riding the brakes, wasn't down shifting and forgot to turn on my toad brake so guess what? I think my brake failure was my own fault. I think it almost cost me 2200 bucks because the service center was trying to rip me off and would have, if I given into the scare tactics and replaced two sets of rotors and calipers. Now I don't think my failure has anything to do with anybody's elses, but it did make me change my driving habits. (oops, I am being a smarty alec again)

you forgot you didnt wash your wheels that day(lol) but you did have a failure and traded it in in less than 45 days. Shoot , you couldnt get out of it quick enough. I think I will wait for nhtsa results before I blame mh owners. Have a nice day now, ya hear.

[-Gramps-]

Well, I will have a nice day. I traded for my UFO 45 days later cause I made the mistake of test driving one at an FMCA rally a few weeks after my brakes got hot and I was hooked like a fish! It's sad but true..I was the victim of an obsession. You have no idea how hard I shopped for a coach with an interior and floorplan the DW would love so I could get the UFO but it was worth it, even with Monaco's present troubles. So you are almost right, the truth is, I couldn't get INTO it (the UFO) quick enough.

[jdsr]

I spent almost 4 years researching and shopping for this chassis and I learned to choose my sources very carefully now. So to answer the op question, wait for nhtsa report and maybe those of us who are having or have had issues will get some answers.

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by jdsr I spent almost 4 years researching and shopping for this chassis and I learned to choose my sources very carefully now..

jdsr, I hope the results of the EA live up to your expectations. I don't believe you made a mistake with your choice.

[travel]

The question I have is "What should I do to the brake system basicly to keep it trouble free? Any ideas will help reguardless how far out they are! I know the problem is large but a starting point is somwhere. Thanks

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by travel The question I have is "What should I do to the brake system basically to keep it trouble free?

Flush and bleed your brakes at least annually to 18 months.
Lubricate your pins and slides at least every 2 years.
Grease your bell crack or brake relay rod periodically at least 2 times a year.
Lay off your brakes. Apply them only to stop the vehicle. Use select shifting and or transmission grade braking (TGB) whenever possible.

That's a start.

[rogueii]

Good advice from Driver. If you have read about all the problems some folks have had, then you need to be proactive with your Driving Habits and your maintenance. Be certain, that you use a qualified Braking system on the Toad, as this helps releive some of the strain on the RV.