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08-12-2013, 11:13 AM
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Hub spacers to widen stance on p30
Interested if anyone has tried hub spacers on front of motorhome to widen stance and maybe to allow a more stable ride. P30 chasis 1996 damon challenger
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08-12-2013, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Biggee
Interested if anyone has tried hub spacers on front of motorhome to widen stance and maybe to allow a more stable ride. P30 chasis 1996 damon challenger
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Wouldn't try it, Depending on size of spacers you could cause serious problems with wheel bearings, alignment.
JMHO
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08-12-2013, 11:28 AM
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I'll go X2 on the don't do it , the front end was engineered with a specific rim offset in mind, even changing wheel rims can throw the angles off , start wear issues and increase the force required to steer the vehicle.
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08-12-2013, 12:37 PM
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I'm not sure how this could possibly increase the force requieed to turn the wheel. That seems unlikely. I do agreee with the not bother with it though. Do some reading, there are potential problems that to me outweigh any advantage you may achieve.
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08-12-2013, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Raist11
I'm not sure how this could possibly increase the force requieed to turn the wheel. .
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By moving the point, where the tire pivots on the ground away from the pivot axis of the ball joints/ or king pin, you introduce the need for the tire to rotate as the ball joints pivot , in a parking lot maneuver , when you have you foot on the brake and the tire can't rotate, you have to apply enough force to skid the tire.
Always got steering effort complaints, any time new truck owners changed wheels on their P/Us .
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08-12-2013, 12:56 PM
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By adding these spacers, one moves the point at which load is applied to the wheel bearings outboard, thus overloading the outer wheel bearing and shortening its life. The greater the offset, the more this will come into play.
Rusty
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08-12-2013, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RustyJC
By adding these spacers, one moves the point at which load is applied to the wheel bearings outboard, thus overloading the outer wheel bearing and shortening its life. The greater the offset, the more this will come into play.
Rusty
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X2...
Ken
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08-12-2013, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Raist11
I'm not sure how this could possibly increase the force requieed to turn the wheel.
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Back in my youth I bought '56 Ford F-100 pickup, it needed work but had nice "spider cage" mag wheels and new tires-- and a straight axle and a worn out steering gear, and it was all I could do to keep it straight, and turning the thing gave new meaning to "power" steering, it actually made my arms sore. Someone told me most of my problem was my offset wheels and that I should put some regular tires and wheels on to see. I borrowed a set of tires & wheels, and it was like driving a whole different truck. It went straight(er), but turning the thing was night & day. I could make right turns with the palm of my hand instead of a 2-fisted death-grip! I wouldn't have believed there was that much difference...
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08-12-2013, 06:14 PM
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I had them on my VW in the 60's, they worked great!
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08-12-2013, 06:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RustyJC
By adding these spacers, one moves the point at which load is applied to the wheel bearings outboard, thus overloading the outer wheel bearing and shortening its life. The greater the offset, the more this will come into play.
Rusty
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This is the correct answer .
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08-12-2013, 06:51 PM
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A 60's VW is so light in the front two of us used to turn my roommates car around in his parking spot, much to his and meter maid's chagrin. Not surprised you could put spacers or offset wheels on VW with little change. I agree with all the others that says it's not a good idea and stability can be gained by other means.
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08-12-2013, 06:57 PM
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Back in the 70's, my BIL had a small Pontiac that had reversed rims. He would burn up the bearings and spindles, replace them and put the same rims right back on. He must have done that 3 or 4 times before he put stock tires and rims back on. Never had another bearing or spindle problem.
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08-12-2013, 07:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggee
Interested if anyone has tried hub spacers on front of motorhome to widen stance and maybe to allow a more stable ride. P30 chasis 1996 damon challenger
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why? 96 chassis should be pretty stable if your springs/shocks are still serviceable...? Are your bumpstops riding on the frame?
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