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Old 03-21-2012, 07:55 PM   #1
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Need help - W22 Rock and Roll

We just bought our 03' Holiday Rambler Vacationer 36 WWD. it only has 25,000 miles on it.

I noticed a few things. A bit of a wag in the back end, a rocking and rolling back and forth at slower speeds and a bit of steering wander back and forth that probably contributes to the tail wagging.

1) Will a trackbar solve the tail wag?
2) What will solve the rock and roll, is this a shocks issue?
3) What is needed in the front end?

Approximate costs would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 03-21-2012, 09:10 PM   #2
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I noticed a few things. A bit of a wag in the back end, a rocking and rolling back and forth at slower speeds and a bit of steering wander back and forth that probably contributes to the tail wagging.

1) Will a trackbar solve the tail wag?
For the most part, "Yes" it will
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2) What will solve the rock and roll, is this a shocks issue?
Shocks will improve the condition (Koni FSD) however an anti sway bar will fix the issue.
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3) What is needed in the front end?
I use a track bar and a Safe-T-Plus however you may only need an air pressure check and a front end alignment.
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Approximate costs would be greatly appreciated.
Call Jon at Brazel's RV for UltraTrak products and or Blue Ox for TigerTrak products.
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I think I'd check tire pressure right away.

High tire pressure can cause the tail wagging and wandering.

Currently my tire pressures are all set to 90 lb based on my weight and that's 5lb over the Michelin recommendation for my 235/80/22.5 tires.

Some rocking and rolling is normal when going very slow around back streets and storm drains.

In any case you need to weigh your rig and set the tire pressures accordingly.
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I think I'd check tire pressure right away. High tire pressure can cause the tail wagging and wandering.
Arch, You might get a little push back from that but I would ask how you arrived at this conclusion. Personally I go with the GAWR recommended pressure and like you add +5 psi. Inflating to actual weight pressures may return better performance but I would still go w/ +5.

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Some rocking and rolling is normal when going very slow around back streets and storm drains.
I would offer "inherent" but abnormal. A robust solution like a front and rear anti sway bar setup would eliminate "roll" and the ride enhancement is far superior to the stock configuration. Once installed, a new normal assumes reign. (I do not have F&R AS bars)

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In any case you need to weigh your rig and set the tire pressures accordingly.
I agree 100% - before spending any money on a hardware solution, this information needs to be known and adjusted. A good front end and thrust alignment is also essential.
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@Driver.....I've run with all tires at 110 lb once. A dealer had installed front tires and set them up. I drove about 200 miles and had squirrelly handling and, of course a very rough ride.
My 36' coach on a W22 has no tail wag and it's stock so I'm always curious when I see a person with the same chassis that says they have tail wag.

The rolling I'm speaking of occurs on some of our streets where they have put in very deep water run off drains across the entire street at the intersection where you cross it at an angle as you are turning.

You have to go pretty slow across those.

On straight highway driving I have no problem with sway at all and trucks passing don't do a thing to me.
Again that's with no modifications and my original shocks.

On ride issues it would really be nice if we could ride in each others coach to observe the problem.
It's a very subjective issue.
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@Driver.....I've run with all tires at 110 lb once. A dealer had installed front tires and set them up. I drove about 200 miles and had squirrelly handling and, of course a very rough ride.
My 36' coach on a W22 has no tail wag and it's stock so I'm always curious when I see a person with the same chassis that says they have tail wag.
I agree 110psi is just way too much air in those things. After they get hot you can expect that they'll run up to 120 hot or so and I think that's just too much.

I run 90R & 95F on an almost 39 foot gasser and that's good enough for me.

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The rolling I'm speaking of occurs on some of our streets where they have put in very deep water run off drains across the entire street at the intersection where you cross it at an angle as you are turning.
Yes I understand ...

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On straight highway driving I have no problem with sway at all and trucks passing don't do a thing to me. Again that's with no modifications and my original shocks.
When ever you are ready try a set of Koni FSD shocks.

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On ride issues it would really be nice if we could ride in each others coach to observe the problem. It's a very subjective issue.
Yes I agree. 36 foot coaches typically don't present a lot of issues on a 228 inch wheelbase.
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My coach apparently has Bilstein shocks. Are these okay? The shop I'm at says they are in good condition.

Also, what's the difference between Roadmaster sway bars and Hellwig?
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My coach apparently has Bilstein shocks. Are these okay? The shop I'm at says they are in good condition.
If you have Bilstein shocks they must be replacements and those model shocks usually do better than the stock shocks that come on later Workhorse chassis. Even guys out in the field think nothing of replacing stock Bilsteins with after market Bilstein units - they just seem to ride better.

If you have the original shocks on your 2003 chassis - they are not Bilsteins and you would know it I guarantee.

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No difference at all. Both suppliers make these big robust units. On Workhorse, you'll want to combine an anti-sway bar kit with the track bars (both). Concurrently, you may want to consider installing 4 new shocks on the corners. Now you're cooking.
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Thanks All for your input on this.

Going from an F53 chassis to the W22, I'm learning all over again.
One thing I've learned for sure, I like the W22 chassis better!!!
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DriVer,

What's your name brand recommendation on the track bar?
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What's your name brand recommendation on the track bar?
There are several that I can think of, UltraTrak, TigerTrak and SuperSteer.
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Please note that the 2003 chassis (W20 and W22) had a 2 inch front stabilizer shaft. Often called an anti sway bar. In September of 2003 WH changed to a 2.5 inch bar.
If your chassis has the 2 inch bar I would strongly recommend that you have the 2.5 inch bar installed. I did and it made a huge improvement in roll or side to side sway.

This is from an email I got from WH in 2005:

"The part number for the Front Stabilizer Bar with rackets is: W0005643.

This bar was found to have an advantage over the original 2" bar, and was put into regular production on 9/2/2003.

The installation is very straightforward. Remove 4 retaining nuts while supporting bar, remove bar, hold new bar in position, reinstall 4 retaining nuts, and torque to specification. This procedure is NOT meant to replace
the service manual, but is a generalized procedure.

The upgraded stabilizer bar has been shown to provide the following benefits:
1. Reduced Body Roll when cornering.
2. Reduced "rocking" when passed by or passing large vehicles.
3. Reduced "rocking" when traversing bumps on an angle."


The installation procedure is below- I did not raise the coach, just crawled under it:

Stabilizer Shaft Replacement (Front) (W20/W22)

Removal Procedure
1. Raise the vehicle on a hoist
2. Remove the nuts and washers from the stabilizer shaft clamp and the right front leaf spring.
3. Remove the nuts and washers from the stabilizer shaft clamp and the left front leaf spring, and remove the stabilizer shaft from the vehicle.
4. Remove the clamps from the stabilizer shaft.
5. Remove the insulators from the stabilizer shaft.

Installation Procedure
1. Install the insulators to the stabilizer shaft.
2. Install the clamps to the stabilizer shaft.

Notice: Refer to Fastener Notice in Cautions and Notices in the WCC Service Manual.

3. Install the washers and nuts to the stabilizer shaft clamp and the left front leaf spring.
4. Install the washers and nuts to the stabilizer shaft clamp and the right front leaf spring.
Tighten the stabilizer shaft clamp nuts to 373 Nm (275 lb ft).
5. Lower the vehicle.
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Clay's post explains why I have a pretty stable ride.

I didn't know my chassis had the stabilizer bar.
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There are several that I can think of, UltraTrak, TigerTrak and SuperSteer.
Regarding track bars, of the ones listed, are they basically the same? Is any brand better than the other and if so how is it better? Or will you get the same results with any of them?
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