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We have helped develop a NEW ULTRATRAC front stabilzer bar for the Wide Track P32's.When the chassis was changed from narrow to wide track,they never moved the frame bushings out to match the larger bar.Our kit bolts through the factory mounts & spreads out the bushings on each side 8" wider.So the sway bar will now have four frame mounts.This makes a significant reduction in body roll.It also has a Safe T Plus mount built onto it for convenience.They retail at 265.00
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02-07-2006, 07:09 AM
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We have helped develop a NEW ULTRATRAC front stabilzer bar for the Wide Track P32's.When the chassis was changed from narrow to wide track,they never moved the frame bushings out to match the larger bar.Our kit bolts through the factory mounts & spreads out the bushings on each side 8" wider.So the sway bar will now have four frame mounts.This makes a significant reduction in body roll.It also has a Safe T Plus mount built onto it for convenience.They retail at 265.00
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02-10-2006, 02:56 PM
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How bad is this kit to put on? Are there detailed instructions?
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02-10-2006, 03:34 PM
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It's simple,you unbolt the sway bar frame bushings,slide the bar through the frame brackets & bolt everything back together.
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02-11-2006, 03:09 AM
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So it doesn't require a lift?
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02-11-2006, 05:58 AM
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The Feb. issue of the FMCA magazine has an excellent article on suspension upgrades for the P series chassis. Try to get your hands on that issue.
I'm quoting the paragraph on the front antisway bar below:
"Antisway Bars
The next problem was how to eliminate the side-to-side sway. On a 1998 P-30 it's easy "” change out the original-equipment front antisway bar. For this I conferred with an ipd Inc. technician, who told me that when the chassis was built by General Motors, the size (diameter) of the antisway bar was computed using automobile and light truck weight ratios. (ipd recently was sold to Roadmaster Inc. and now operates as RSS, Roadmaster Suspension Solutions.) Fairly recently, however, it was discovered that these ratios are inadequate for motorhome chassis. In other words, with the height, width, and weight of motorhome chassis, larger-diameter bars can be used without causing undue stress and possible damage to the chassis components. Therefore, the ipd antisway bar for the P-30 chassis is 1-5/8 inches in diameter, which replaces the original 1-1/4-inch bar At the same time, I replaced the dried-out and hardened rubber bushings on the rear bar with new neoprene bushings from ipd.
Is installing a new antisway bar difficult? No. But it is normally a two-person job, only because the component is big, awkward, and heavy. Since all my neighbors and friends were traveling by the time I was able to replace the antisway bar, I used a short length of wire in the bar's center to suspend it in place during its removal. I used the same wire to suspend the new bar (its ends were resting on the ground), and I was then able to hold the ends in place while I secured the brackets and bushings. Using the supplied bushing compound, I quickly replaced the rear antisway bar's bushings one side at a time. (Watch where you touch when applying the bushing compound; it will stick to anything and everything and stretches like Silly String.)
Once the antisway bar was installed it was time for another test drive. Even before reaching the test loop, I knew the project was coming together. While each individual component improved the coach's ride and handling, the new antisway bar and stiffer bushings on the rear antisway bar kind of tied the whole project all together. Side-to-side sway was gone. The swaying caused when passing big rigs in a stiff side wind was also almost completely eliminated, and the average comfortable speed around the loop improved by 3 to 5 mph."
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02-11-2006, 07:30 AM
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FullAstern,
No it does not require a lift.You dont even have to unbolt the entire sway bar,just the frame bushings!
Tom N,
The newer chassis are Wider than Your P32,they already have a 1 5/8" sway bar installed.This stabilizer bar spreads the frame bushings out farther for more roll stability.
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04-06-2006, 03:30 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We have helped develop a NEW ULTRATRAC front stabilzer bar for the Wide Track P32's.When the chassis was changed from narrow to wide track,they never moved the frame bushings out to match the larger bar.Our kit bolts through the factory mounts & spreads out the bushings on each side 8" wider.So the sway bar will now have four frame mounts.This makes a significant reduction in body roll.It also has a Safe T Plus mount built onto it for convenience.They retail at 205.00
Mike Bronzini
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Based on this, I ordered one and when I received it I was charged $238.00 not the #205.00 quoted. Be careful when you order from this vendor. FYI
tom
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04-06-2006, 03:32 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Are there detailed instructions? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
NO, there were no instructions at all.
tom
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04-06-2006, 06:25 PM
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Tom112:
Was the difference in cost vs quote, the shipping cost?? and Tax?
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04-07-2006, 03:07 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Posted April 06, 2006 11:25 PM
Tom112: </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Tom112:
Was the difference in cost vs quote, the shipping cost?? and Tax? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
NO, the shipping was $49.85 in addition and there was no tax because it was shipped out of state.
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04-07-2006, 06:07 AM
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Actually Roadmaster raised both our cost & retail after telling us it was going to be lower.So I split the difference between the two,
We try to be fair with our pricing,but I did quote 205.00,so who ever bought one E-mail me and we will refund the difference.
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04-07-2006, 08:31 AM
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Way to go Mike. It is good to see that some people are not out for every last dollar.
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04-07-2006, 10:56 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I did quote 205.00,so who ever bought one E-mail me and we will refund the difference. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
OK, I just sent him my name and address. I'll post if/when I receive my refund.
tom
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