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05-05-2019, 06:48 PM
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So I changed my radiator hoses yesterday....
What a pain. To be fair, I’m sure 30 years ago it would have only been mildly annoying. The previous weekend I had to drop trans pan on my truck, remove various bits, and replace the internal harness due to corrosion of the part that is exterior to the trans. Anyone who has done this knows it’s a constant drip drip while working overhead on your back.
And yet...
I’d take that experience over what should have been a simple hose job. Pull lower hose, drain into big pan, remove both hoses, replace. Bahahaha. Nope. Every one of the 4 clamps were in the one orientation that that made access as miserable as possible. The upper one (spring clamp) was oriented so the tangs to be squeezed were underneath the hose. There is no room to access them. What a fight. I even bought the correct tool to compress and hold the tension. Bahahaha. Paperweight.
Good thing I didn’t type this yesterday; I’d be in hot water with the forum for language. The actual draining and swapping hoses took no time at all. Fighting with 4 inaccessible clamps? A couple hours. I still refuse to believe the orientation is random as even the chassis installer, before the coach itself was built, would have had issues on a couple of these. Needless to say during reinstall, the orientation was changed such this is a piece of cake next time, provided yesterday’s trauma dissipates over time.
The take away of this pointless rant? Look carefully at the clamp orientations first, and have a plan. Or a young guy who can contort his body. Ugh.
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05-05-2019, 07:02 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Civdiv99
What a pain. To be fair, I’m sure 30 years ago it would have only been mildly annoying. The previous weekend I had to drop trans pan on my truck, remove various bits, and replace the internal harness due to corrosion of the part that is exterior to the trans. Anyone who has done this knows it’s a constant drip drip while working overhead on your back.
And yet...
I’d take experience over what should have been a simple hose job. Pull lower hose, drain into big pan, remove both hoses, replace. Bahahaha. Nope. Every one of the 4 clamps were in the one orientation that that made access as miserable as possible. The upper one (spring clamp) was oriented so the tangs to be squeezed were underneath the hose. There is no room to access them. What a fight. I even bought the correct tool to compress and hold the tension. Bahahaha. Paperweight.
Good thing I didn’t type this yesterday; I’d be in hot water with the forum for language. The actual draining and swapping hoses took no time at all. Fighting with 4 inaccessible clamps? A couple hours. I still refuse to believe the orientation is random as even the chassis installer, before the coach itself was built, would have had issues on a couple of these. Needless to say during reinstall, the orientation was changed such this is a piece of cake next time, provided yesterday’s trauma dissipates over time.
The take away of this pointless rant? Look carefully at the clamp orientations first, and have a plan. Or a young guy who can contort his body. Ugh.
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LOL, I know what you went through, changed mine about a month or so ago, all the spring clamps were in the wrong orientation. I had to remove the fan & water pump to replace the bypass hose.
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05-05-2019, 07:50 PM
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Monaco Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
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Location: Clovis, CA, USA
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Just because I'm out in the garage swearing doesn't mean I'm not having fun.....
I looked at mine and decided it would be money well spent by going to my local Workhorse dealer and having them replace all the hoses and belts.
It appears I made the right decision.
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05-05-2019, 08:28 PM
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Changed my radiator, heater and bypass hoses last year. I can definitely sympathize! What should have been a two minute job on the upper radiator hose was a hour ordeal.
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05-06-2019, 01:54 AM
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I'm glad I like challenges otherwise it would of been aggravating.
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05-07-2019, 12:53 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Seattle,WA/HB,CA./Fujieda-Japan
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Did mine on my 1994 7.4L 454 P30 and wasn't much of an issue at all including the by-pass hose.
The hoses were the original ones at that (stamped from Jan 1994). Looking at them closely they were in good condition with no signs of deterioration whatsoever.
Hopefully the new ones (Continental) will hold up just as well).
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05-07-2019, 07:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by udidwht
Did mine on my 1994 7.4L 454 P30 and wasn't much of an issue at all including the by-pass hose.
The hoses were the original ones at that (stamped from Jan 1994). Looking at them closely they were in good condition with no signs of deterioration whatsoever.
Hopefully the new ones (Continental) will hold up just as well).
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If my memory serves me correctly from working on older BB Checys years ago, the bypass go's from the water pump directly into the intake manifold, making it much easier to replace. The 8.1 BB has a different configuration.
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05-09-2019, 03:22 PM
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Location: Seattle,WA/HB,CA./Fujieda-Japan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akpd
If my memory serves me correctly from working on older BB Checys years ago, the bypass go's from the water pump directly into the intake manifold, making it much easier to replace. The 8.1 BB has a different configuration.
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Correct. Very easy to get to.
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05-12-2019, 04:53 PM
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Winnebago Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
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Location: Island Park , NY
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I hear your pain, I would have had the mind to get my Dremel tool out and cut the damn things off and put new ones on ! Well you got it done, take 2 Aleves and get a beer or take a nap! Bobby
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05-12-2019, 05:01 PM
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One broken bolt can turn a 20 minute job into a 3 day ordeal.
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05-13-2019, 09:13 AM
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Location: Pa
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Civdiv99
What a pain. To be fair, I’m sure 30 years ago it would have only been mildly annoying. The previous weekend I had to drop trans pan on my truck, remove various bits, and replace the internal harness due to corrosion of the part that is exterior to the trans. Anyone who has done this knows it’s a constant drip drip while working overhead on your back.
And yet...
I’d take that experience over what should have been a simple hose job. Pull lower hose, drain into big pan, remove both hoses, replace. Bahahaha. Nope. Every one of the 4 clamps were in the one orientation that that made access as miserable as possible. The upper one (spring clamp) was oriented so the tangs to be squeezed were underneath the hose. There is no room to access them. What a fight. I even bought the correct tool to compress and hold the tension. Bahahaha. Paperweight.
Good thing I didn’t type this yesterday; I’d be in hot water with the forum for language. The actual draining and swapping hoses took no time at all. Fighting with 4 inaccessible clamps? A couple hours. I still refuse to believe the orientation is random as even the chassis installer, before the coach itself was built, would have had issues on a couple of these. Needless to say during reinstall, the orientation was changed such this is a piece of cake next time, provided yesterday’s trauma dissipates over time.
The take away of this pointless rant? Look carefully at the clamp orientations first, and have a plan. Or a young guy who can contort his body. Ugh.
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I've been known to come up with some illegible phrases from time to time. Maybe a USMC thing
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05-16-2019, 08:37 PM
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Senior Member
Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Reseda, CA
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radiator hoses
I hope everyone that changed hoses took the time to throw the spring type clamp in the trash and install normal screw type clamps.. much easier next time.
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05-17-2019, 06:42 AM
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Sometimes you have to speak in tongues. If that doesn't work, things usually proceed if a little blood is shed.
Full disclosure: A few years ago, I paid to have all hoses replaced including the heater hoses. At age 80, I'm learning to choose my battles
Quote:
Originally Posted by FastGlassMan
I hear your pain, I would have had the mind to get my Dremel tool out and cut the damn things off and put new ones on ! Well you got it done, take 2 Aleves and get a beer or take a nap! Bobby
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05-17-2019, 07:08 AM
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Senior Member
Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: st.charles mo.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HuskyJack
I hope everyone that changed hoses took the time to throw the spring type clamp in the trash and install normal screw type clamps.. much easier next time.
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On every thing from the mid 80's the spring clamps are the recommended clamp. They have a more even clamping surface around the hose and you cant overtighten them and with the proper tool or a good pair of channel lock pliers it's not that hard to remove and install them. But I guess that's just my opinion because I was and still am a Mechanic or as they say today an automotive technician.
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