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10-16-2008, 08:40 PM
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I love the idea as well. They handle great, tow well, just need to get over this hump.
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10-17-2008, 09:42 AM
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Ok I just heard the new fan assembly has passed it's Physical!! They will be shipping four of them on monday,one of which is for Craig's coach.Then they will have stock in two weeks for the coach not broken down at this time.Craig I hope you can now see the light at the end of the Tunnel!
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10-17-2008, 09:47 AM
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I just want to start off by thanking all of you fellow UFO chassis owners for contributing to this thread. At least I am not flying totally blind out here while a fix is being worked on.
As I had noted in previous posts, I am sitting in Bakersfield Ca for another week prior to leaving for Houston at the end of the month. I am now evaluating which routes to take on way home to minimize the amount of higher RPM loads put on the engine. With some 4500 miles on the coach, I feel that I am sitting on a ticking time bomb until I get home and garage this thing until a final solution is worked out.
Being an engineer who has worked for some 35 years on everything from nuclear subs to gas turbine power plants I am not sure I buy the story of "just the wrong oil" While this may in fact be the case and with synthetics the way they are, it seems to me the fix would be easy. This makes me a little more concerned in regards to either a manufacturing issue or an application problem both of which may take a while to unravel.
I too love the UFO chassis and plan on keeping this coach for a long time. Hopefully I make it back to Houston without incident, as we travel with 4 Bengal cats and a Sheltie which makes motel living a "non desired event"
Again, I appreciate all the info each of you have shared to date and hope it continues.
Best regards
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10-17-2008, 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by Brazels RV Performance:
Ok I just heard the new fan assembly has passed it's Physical!! They will be shipping four of them on monday,one of which is for Craig's coach.Then they will have stock in two weeks for the coach not broken down at this time.Craig I hope you can now see the light at the end of the Tunnel!
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Hi Mike,
Thank you for the information, I also heard from Forest River today. They were assured by Workhorse, that I would have my coach returned to me with the proper revised FCA by the end of next week. So that is good news. I remain a little apprehensive, but I am hoping for the best. Thank you again for the update.
Craig
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10-18-2008, 02:16 AM
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A little off topic, but Graig, how do you like your Georgetown 391 UFO? With respect to ride, coach quality and comfort. It looks like a very livable floor plan. Chuck/Bagman57.
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10-18-2008, 05:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Lash:
Being an engineer who has worked for some 35 years on everything from nuclear subs to gas turbine power plants I am not sure I buy the story of "just the wrong oil" While this may in fact be the case and with synthetics the way they are, it seems to me the fix would be easy.
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Perhaps ..... the viscosity of the oil vs a mechanical constant prevented the fan from properly de-clutching at the intended temperature target. One size does not fit all it would seem. On front engine gas units everyone complains about the fan noise. The noise is when the fan clutches up and starts blowing hard. In a rear engine configuration it would be difficult to pick that out. I do know one thing and that is my FCA isn't clutched up anywhere near 50% of the time. The key to relieving the stress on the mechanical components that we appear to be seeing looks like a retooling of the mechanical interior of the FCA and or a viscosity change if that's what it came to. Changing an FCA does not appear to be a time intensive process. It should go pretty quickly on the word, Go!
One other viscous fluid that also comes to mind would be shock absorbers and the valving of the device. Mess up that relationship and you would have either very mushy or super stiff shocks.
We have read where UFOs were tested pretty hard under all types of conditions with the original FCA by engineers. Flawless! Unfortunately something must have gotten changed in production by some entity and it might be possible that the bean counters or garbage in garbage out computer operator had input. Priceless! Unfortunately, on many systems in a multitude of applications regarding varied mechanical devices, the best engineering sometimes falls victim of this type of judgement or miskey error. I'm not suggesting that this actually happened however in many business practices we often see this happening from rubber bands to air craft carriers. It is such a fact of life at times it's scary.
From what I have been told regarding the UFO cool pack is that it shouldn't need that much extraordinary help in cooling things down due to the size of the cool pack. A properly functioning FCA should mostly loaf in it existence on that engine. The fan being completely enshrouded with 100% of the air coming off the blades going into the cool pack keeps all 3 fluids nice and comfortable.
I'm expecting that the UFO owners will put this behind them ( ) and move forward!
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10-18-2008, 06:48 AM
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Now if only Wh diagnosed and solved the "brake" problwms with the W22 with such speed and enthusiasm.
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10-18-2008, 08:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bagman57:
A little off topic, but Graig, how do you like your Georgetown 391 UFO? With respect to ride, coach quality and comfort. It looks like a very livable floor plan. Chuck/Bagman57.
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Chuck,
I am very happy with our coach. Obviously the ride is not in the caliber of a coach with air ride, but it is very stable on the road. There is very little listing, and swaying. At times depending on road conditions it can be a little harsh, but overall I am very happy with the ride. From a power prospective it is very adequate, we tow a Saturn Vue all the time and on grades we do ok, not a rocket ship but acceptable. I will say the Allison 2000 is incredible, it is so smooth shifting thru gears. The steering cut at 55 degrees is amazing,
it turns on a dime. The coach quality is fairly decent for the price point. The full body paint job incredible, we receive compliments all the time about it. As far as the interior it is a pretty conventional motorhome floor plan, but very comfortable for us for extended trips. There are always shortcomings on the interior, but Forest River stepped up and did all stainless steel appliances, soft touch ceilings, ultra leather furniture, the wood work could use some finessing, but overall we are super happy with it, and looking forward to putting this other issue behind us.
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10-18-2008, 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by JCM:
Now if only Wh diagnosed and solved the "brake" problems with the W22 with such speed and enthusiasm.
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The FCA is a proprietary Workhorse part. Workhorse has control over the parts it supplies.
The brake thread is not here.
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10-18-2008, 11:04 AM
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Craig, you described the ride the same way I would and the same for power. Slow going up grades is something I have experienced as well. I learned something about that at the Allison seminar at the rally (I know this is off thread topic) and that is you have to keep your rpms up before you hit the grade or you will lose speed quickly..especially if you hit it in 6th gear. So, the best thing to do is manually push button down to 5th but keep up your speed. Easier said than done I bet. I am still learning how to best use this really good transmission. Just a note, my brother in law owned a Prevost and a Eagle tour bus and used to be Meryl Haggards tour bus driver for years. It thinks this rear gas chassis is really great.
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10-19-2008, 08:02 AM
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Just found this forum. My UFO Winnebago Adventurer Limited 2008 39WL just had the FCA failure at 2,000 miles. Was trucked to La Mesa RV in Mesa AZ on 10/15/08 where I purchased it. Haven't heard any estimate on repair details yet but sounds like this is a problem hopefully to be fixed in the "near" future. I will be talking to them tomorrow "armed" with knowledge gained here thanks to you all. Will keep you posted.
Richard12
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10-19-2008, 08:44 AM
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Richard, your rig has the lowest miles I have learned about about that has had this failure. What were the conditions you were driving in at the time? Climbing up or going down a grade? RPMs? I ask, because we are planning a trip to New Market VA tomorrow in the VA mountains. I have just over 2000 miles on my coach and now I wonder if I should wait for the official fix before I take it on a mountain trip.
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10-19-2008, 01:16 PM
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RICHARD12: WELCOME to iRV2.com We are glad you joined and posted. Congrats on a beautiful coach, built on the UFO.
As we gather more and more members here that have experience with that chassis our knowledge base, and therefore ability to help others is magnafied. Sorry you have already experienced a failure and therefore are part of developing a solution. Please post often and keep us apprised of what you learn about the expected repairs.
Again, WELCOME!!
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10-19-2008, 01:32 PM
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Gramps
Thanks for the quick reply. We were climbing a fair grade and just topped out, didn't check the rpms but were going about 45mph towing a toad when We heard a bang which I thought was a stone hitting the fender well. Engine quit and down the grade we went. Tried to restart but more banging so just looked for a safe place to put it. Was an interesting ride to get it stopped. My chassis was built 6/07 if that's any help.
Richard
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