W-22 Rock-n-Roll--another chassis option question.

[two2go]

So I drive off my driveway at an angle with the 5" curb drop and I sit there like the pendulum on my grandfather clock counting 7 side to side cycles until I am still again. The DW follows me to the storage yard and tells me how much the coach leans when I go around a curve. Regular road driving, ride, and handling is fine--no wandering or funny motions.
I have reviewed various threads on track bars, sway bars, and shocks but I still wonder. It seems logical to me that a rear sway bar would help most with leaning on curves. For the side to side motion, it seems more shock absorbtion is needed. How can a shock about the same size as I had on my 6k pound 3/4 ton PU be enough for a 22k pound high CG vehicle? Can shock brands make that much difference? I am wondering if a dual shock setup could be made, and if that is worthwhile to pursue? I've got 3 year old Bilsteins with 19k miles on the clock. They don't seem worn out in other respects.
The shop mgr. at CW says I need a track bar first, but I am not convinced.

[two2go]

So I drive off my driveway at an angle with the 5" curb drop and I sit there like the pendulum on my grandfather clock counting 7 side to side cycles until I am still again. The DW follows me to the storage yard and tells me how much the coach leans when I go around a curve. Regular road driving, ride, and handling is fine--no wandering or funny motions.
I have reviewed various threads on track bars, sway bars, and shocks but I still wonder. It seems logical to me that a rear sway bar would help most with leaning on curves. For the side to side motion, it seems more shock absorbtion is needed. How can a shock about the same size as I had on my 6k pound 3/4 ton PU be enough for a 22k pound high CG vehicle? Can shock brands make that much difference? I am wondering if a dual shock setup could be made, and if that is worthwhile to pursue? I've got 3 year old Bilsteins with 19k miles on the clock. They don't seem worn out in other respects.
The shop mgr. at CW says I need a track bar first, but I am not convinced.

[DriVer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by two2go:
The shop mgr. at CW says I need a track bar first, but I am not convinced. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>two2go, The CW manager respectfully does not know what he is talking about if in fact the problem as you presented it exists.

No amount of track bars will attenuate roll. There is no upside in installing dual shocks. (Owners state that) Koni shocks do provide more anti roll stability.

If you want to eliminate roll the best device is an -- RV Anti Sway Bar. Hellwig makes such a device and so does Roadmaster.

Call Keith at Redlands or Mike at Brazels to discuss.

[Clay L]

Driver I wonder if the OP has the 2 inch front stabilizer bar or the 2 1/2 inch one.

My 2004 on a 2003 chassis had the 2 incher and I replaced it with a 2 1/2 inch one as you and I discussed at the Winnebago rally field several years ago. That sure made a tremendous improvement in my roll response.
Do you know when WH made the production shift to the 2 1/2 inch bar?

[DriVer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Clay L:
Do you know when WH made the production shift to the 2 1/2 inch bar? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Clay L, Yes sir! You and I both changed out our 2.0" bar for a 2.5" unit. I remember the challenge I had. I went to CAT Ring Power North of Ocala to get them to use their 4 foot long 3/4" drive torque wrench. It worked.

WCC changed from the 2" to the 2.5" in model year 2004. The OP has a 2005 unit so he should be good to go along the lines of the stabilizer bar.

If I can remember correctly the change occurred when we went from 47 to 50 degree steering and Bilstein Shock went onboard including the 2.5" stabilizer bar. I believe this to have occurred in April of 2004 however my brain cells are beating each other up at the moment.

You are indeed correct, I do exhibit less roll with the 2.5" as opposed to the previous 2" bar.

[Phantomiz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by two2go:
So I drive off my driveway at an angle with the 5" curb drop and I sit there like the pendulum on my grandfather clock counting 7 side to side cycles until I am still again. The DW follows me to the storage yard and tells me how much the coach leans when I go around a curve. Regular road driving, ride, and handling is fine--no wandering or funny motions.
I have reviewed various threads on track bars, sway bars, and shocks but I still wonder. It seems logical to me that a rear sway bar would help most with leaning on curves. For the side to side motion, it seems more shock absorbtion is needed. How can a shock about the same size as I had on my 6k pound 3/4 ton PU be enough for a 22k pound high CG vehicle? Can shock brands make that much difference? I am wondering if a dual shock setup could be made, and if that is worthwhile to pursue? I've got 3 year old Bilsteins with 19k miles on the clock. They don't seem worn out in other respects.
The shop mgr. at CW says I need a track bar first, but I am not convinced. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know exactly what you are talking about. Before I installed my Roadmaster anti-sway bars, when coming out of my storage location, I too would count the times the MH would rock side to side. Sometimes it felt like I was going to roll over onto my side. Also, found it very hard to negotiate turns when exiting gas stations with a slight incline/decline.

I'm very satisfied with these bars both when "cornering" and when going down the highway. They help with that pushing feeling when a tractor trailer passes me on the highway. I feel "planted" to the pavement.

When I upgraded to larger front and rear anti-sway bars on my Camaro, it was like getting a brand new car. Not quite the same with the MH, but overall I would recommend these bars both front and back...

I waited for them to go on sale at Camping World, usually twice a year.

Some of the hardware needed fine tuning. The front brackets needed to be drilled out slightly. The rear took me a little more time to install, because I have Firestone Ride Rite air bags on the rear and Roadmaster hadn't figured out how to install the rear bar with air bags. They now have a special bracket specifically for this installation...

PhanTomiZ

[two2go]

Any advantage to either Hellwig or Roadmaster? I think the Hellwig bar may be larger diameter for the rear.

[DriVer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by two2go:
Any advantage to either Hellwig or Roadmaster? I think the Hellwig bar may be larger diameter for the rear. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>22go, I'm not sure however I believe that Hellwig was here first.

I understand that Roadmaster bought the former Davis Company who made the Tru-Track front track bar which I have. I saw both their anti-sway bar and track bar at the RVIA Show.

[troth]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Do you know when WH made the production shift to the 2 1/2 inch bar?

FWIW, my '04 Brave was built in 10/03 and I have the larger 2.5" front stabilizer tube.

[DriVer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by troth:
FWIW, my '04 Brave was built in 10/03 and I have the larger 2.5" front stabilizer tube. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>To the best of my recollection, WCC may have begun installing the 2.5" bar at the time your vehicle was built however the bar, shocks and steering were all considered to have changed by ~mid 4/04.