W/H caliper recall opinion????

[joelyn]

we have a 04 fleetwood 35ft on a W-22 w/h chassis. we have never had a brake issue as many have had.
my question::: are these new calipers a sure thing or fix for the problems or could they turn out to be just as bad? if i haven't had a problem in 6 years and 38,000 miles should i get them replaced right away and take a chance or hold back for awhile until these calipers are out there awhile and see what kind of response that starts to come back as to there performance.
we will be leaving for vegs in 4 weeks for the winter and not sure if i should have the new ones put on before we leave and be there guinea pig to see if they truly are the fix or keep what i have and know they work and maybe get them installed in 6 months or so after the reports come it.
any opinions????

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by joelyn any opinions????

joelyn, It's time. Get the new calipers as soon as you can. Don't assume that there's a testing phase of some type of new model waiting period because that's not what it's all about. The new calipers are good now and they will be good down the road. This is going to be as good as it gets. Good luck with your current calipers and you're right if ain't broke .....

Just don't get stuck out in the boonies ...

[skipwil]

IMO: If I had a chance to have the new calipers installed I'd do the recall if it's convenient and as soon as you can. Have you been following the latest posts on the recall? It's a 50/50 chance you will be taking. Some units have given NO trouble (just as you state),then you have a tow to call. Ultimately it will need to be done.
Just my opinion. Don't be confused about my rig picture. I previously owned an '04 Geo/Town 359ts W/H chassis. At the time of registration at W/H it had a caliper campaign showing. At 1600miles all 4 calipers & rotors were replaced by W/H. There was never any indication of a problem either before or after. It ran fine & stopped fine. I was happy with the W/H system and service.
Safe Travels...

[62Morgan]

Skip, what happened to your rotors to warrant replacement at 16,000 miles? Seems too young for replacing. You did not specify if WH did this at your insistence or theirs.

I just have a problem if this "program" gives the service centers an incentive to bilk more money out of the owner's pocket for unneeded rotor work.

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by 62Morgan Skip, what happened to your rotors to warrant replacement at 16,000 miles? Seems too young for replacing. You did not specify if WH did this at your insistence or theirs.

62Morgan, In the early years there was a recall on the old ZOPS Bosch calipers and those would present as seizing on the pins. That campaign was resolved by bringing in the current ZOHT calipers which resolved the sticking pin issue. The calipers at that time were replaced if they had seized. Depending on which calipers seized the rotors and brake pads were also replaced depending on the determination by the RSM.

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I just have a problem if this "program" gives the service centers an incentive to bilk more money out of the owner's pocket for unneeded rotor work.

I have a HUGE problem with that too however I expect that the majority of the service centers will present proof to the owner about what items are collaterally damaged and which items are wear and tear.

It should not matter so much to the service center if those items are replaced as collateral damage by Workhorse or customer pay. Owners are encouraged to "Rate The Dealer." Each morning the National Service Director gets those ratings on his desk and he reviews them. If there's a pattern of customer dissatisfaction I can tell you that that center will be joining a new league called the NFL.

By in large WASC's are in business to provide excellent customer service. If that is not the case in your experience tell somebody.

The "program" is setup to save people money and it should achieve that. If I have a 2001 to 2004 motorhome that had all original brake parts, I would consider the upgrade, drive away with all new brake components and feel good in saving $1000.00 off of the retail price.

If you are getting new calipers today and do nothing else you can choose to pay now or later. Later however won't allow an owner to benefit from the upgrade now.

[joelyn]

i called a dealer today in Pa who has the calpers in stock and ready to go and he stated that they are running a special. they will replace the pads and the rotors (all 4) including labor for 1300.00 the normal price he said would be 2100.00 but they arte doing a special while you get the calipers changed.
seems kind of high what do you think?

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by joelyn seems kind of high what do you think?

Not high at all ... seems low to me but I would not look a gift horse in the mouth. The select dealers are doing it for $1495.00 out the door including tax.

[BEBOP]

Driver Mike you say above: The "program" is setup to save people money and it should achieve that. If I have a 2001 to 2004 motorhome that had all original brake parts, I would consider the upgrade, drive away with all new brake components and feel good in saving $1000.00 off of the retail price.

BUT, I only have 11,000 miles on mine after it spent the first two years in the shop with 147 warranty items and the last near 2 years waiting on safe brakes to go over our mountains with in Calif. I am a 2004 and don't think I should need anything except the calipers. Mine was called in to the workhorse dealer, (Leale's RV) today to replace the calipers. I had the system flushed twice and new brake fluid about 3 months ago. Do you agree????
Bebop Bill

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by BEBOP BUT, I only have 11,000 miles on mine after it spent the first two years in the shop with 147 warranty items and the last near 2 years waiting on safe brakes to go over our mountains with in Calif. I am a 2004 and don't think I should need anything except the calipers. Mine was called in to the workhorse dealer, (Leale's RV) today to replace the calipers. I had the system flushed twice and new brake fluid about 3 months ago. Do you agree????

Bebop Bill, Did you read the post I made about "Not another brake failure?" The point for me in writing that piece was that the owner of the 2004 Pace Arrow only had less than 4,000 miles total on his rig when the calipers seized. The seizure event was seen as the length of time that the calipers were installed on the vehicle.

Now in my opinion rotors are not subject to this same waiting period. When you have the campaign done on a low mileage vehicle say under 20,000 miles total you should not need new rotors. You may need pads but those are cheap. When you get the calipers, you might consider going for a new set of pads if the tech can show where they are worn to close to 50%. I think that you would be just fine. Now if the tech suggest that you might need to resurface a rotors, I'd ask more questions.

If your pads show relatively no wear, look at the pictures I took, I'd keep the pads and rotors and walk with the 4 new calipers. Make sure you don't have any heat of stress cracks and that the rotors are free of moderate to high ridges.

Now all that said ... All the stuff you quoted from me in paragraph #1 is true.

[BEBOP]

thanks Driver Mike for your reply.
I will try to find those pictures you mentioned and look at them.
I have not had any brake problems to date other then the abs light coming on after sitting in storage a couple of months at a time and it goes out in the first 100 feet of driving to the storage gate. Once the light came on while driving in city traffic while doing some braking at lights but it went out again after about 10 miles on the freeway.
Bebop Bill

[joelyn]

hey driver, can you tell me where that post is that you refereed to ""not another brake failure"" i searched the forum twice with no results. thanks

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by joelyn hey driver, can you tell me where that post is that you refereed to ""not another brake failure"" i searched the forum twice with no results. thanks

Here:

Yet Another Brake Failure ( 1 2 3)

and here:

51101-C Completed ( 1 2)

[skipwil]

62MORGAN: It was all covered by W/H. I made the appointment at the Ser.Ctr. They called a week later and I picked it up. They also replaced the catalytic converters at that trip. It wasn't approved for California (as if I'd go there).
Safe travels

[FDchief]

I had 30k miles on the clock. Pads had 60% left. Use them gears WASC said not to replace the pads. They scuffed up the pads, turned the rotors and I was out the door cheap.