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Is there any truth to this thread that's posted on RV.net concerning Workhorse's plans to discontinue the gas chassis, due to GM's plans on discontinuing the big block engine.
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12-01-2008, 06:43 PM
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Is there any truth to this thread that's posted on RV.net concerning Workhorse's plans to discontinue the gas chassis, due to GM's plans on discontinuing the big block engine.
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12-01-2008, 06:55 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tropical36:
Is there any truth to this thread that's posted on RV.net concerning Workhorse's plans to discontinue the gas chassis, due to GM's plans on discontinuing the big block engine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>tropical36, We've written several threads about this here and the fact that GM is stopping production of the 8.1L engine is common knowledge. The Tonawanda Powertrain Plant is converting or already has converted the plant to producing a small block diesel for the pickup truck line.
A few days ago I also wrote that they had layoffs at that plant so who is actually going to be working there to make any kind of engine is up in the air at the moment.
Workhorse is however not going to discontinue using its W Series Chassis products. What we will see is that a D will be placed after the W series to designate diesel power.
I am not sure how it is all structured at the moment and you may want to take a look at the Press Releases in the RV Industry News about front diesel engine powered Workhorse chassis. I intend on publishing the releases just after 12:00am EST 12/2/08.
Navistar's International Truck and Engine Division is well capable of providing engines for Workhorse now and into the future.
All I'd like to do honestly is take one out for a test drive so I can report on its performance.
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12-01-2008, 08:49 PM
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 Is the LS dead?  Reading back a bit, seems maybe had a chance?? I dunno!
Tree duces an a fur speed 
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12-02-2008, 05:03 AM
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DriVer...
OK...good straight info and if this is the case, then it seems that the UFO is destined for failure, as all chassis's will be either DPush or Dpull, right?
Hopefully this will bring up the value on what's left, new or used, for gasoline power and especially the big block chevy.
On another note, do you suppose that Workhorse has considered taking over GM's big block production as it did it's P chassis, assuming that GM's willing to sell, of course?
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12-02-2008, 05:42 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">then it seems that the UFO is destined for failure, as all chassis's will be either DPush or Dpull, right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm don't follow how you've arrived at this conclusion, since the UFO was originally introduced as Universal Fuel Option and was scheduled to get a diesel engine from the beginning. The original engine promoted (Cummins ISB) never happened, but now it looks like the second optional engine (International Maxxforce) "may" be coming, especially if or when the 8.1L gas becomes unavailable. ED
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12-02-2008, 06:23 AM
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OK, I'm confused. Is the Maxxforce not a diesel engine and if so, what will be the UFO's gas option, if the GM big block, is no longer available?
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12-02-2008, 07:07 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Is the Maxxforce not a diesel engine and if so, what will be the UFO's gas option, if the GM big block, is no longer available? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, Maxxforce engines are diesel.
We don't have any info as to what,if any, the gas engine option will be "if" the current gas engine is no longer available.
I still don't see how this supports your statement that the UFO is "distined for failure". Please explain, maybe I'm missing something, or perhaps I'm the one that is confused. ED
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12-02-2008, 07:36 AM
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When I wear out my P32 I will be forced to buy a Ford. Aagh!!
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12-02-2008, 07:36 AM
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Earlier this year, we were told no front engine diesel in a W series. Look what has arrived.
I don't believe they will abandon gas option, not everyone wants diesel.
You ask what is coming -- we don't know for sure, yet!  
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12-02-2008, 11:17 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TandW:
When I wear out my P32 I will be forced to buy a Ford. Aagh!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I was told here at the RVIA Expo that there still are plenty of 8.1L engines for the time being. Diesel in front engine applications is a new technology that Workhorse has been asked to produce by at least 2 OEMs.
At this moment Four Winds and Winnebago Industries have produced motorhomes based on the W20D chassis. Each have a prototype here at the exposition. WCC did tell me that they do not intend to make a W24D. This chassis will remain gas and far as I can tell and it does use the 8.iL engine.
Live from the RVIA Expo, Louisville, KY. I'll have pictures later this evening.
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12-02-2008, 11:40 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by edgray:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Is the Maxxforce not a diesel engine and if so, what will be the UFO's gas option, if the GM big block, is no longer available? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, Maxxforce engines are diesel.
We don't have any info as to what,if any, the gas engine option will be "if" the current gas engine is no longer available.
I still don't see how this supports your statement that the UFO is "distined for failure". Please explain, maybe I'm missing something, or perhaps I'm the one that is confused. ED </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
UFO...universal fuel option...your words,.. so, if no gas engine is available, then there are no fuel options, just diesel, and then it becomes a DP by default, or am I still missing something here? Not saying that they have to scrap the chassis, they just need to call it something else that better describes it, like other DP's.
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12-02-2008, 02:02 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">so, if no gas engine is available, then there are no fuel options, just diesel, and then it becomes a DP by default, or am I still missing something here? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree it will become a DP by default(if there is no gas engine available). I think what you are missing is that I was questioning your use of the words "destined for failure"....your words, not mine...
Because there has not been a diesel option to date, they have played down that explanation for the name UFO, and instead have promoted it as Universal Floorplan Option, because of the totally flat floor front and rear. OBTW, the designation UFO is really a marketing term because the "official" SPID code for this chassis is R26.
In my mind the UFO will be a failure ONLY if it is discontinued, not because it became a DP which it was originally susposed to be, via the optional diesel engines.
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12-02-2008, 02:49 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by edgray:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">so, if no gas engine is available, then there are no fuel options, just diesel, and then it becomes a DP by default, or am I still missing something here? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree it will become a DP by default(if there is no gas engine available). I think what you are missing is that I was questioning your use of the words "destined for failure"....your words, not mine...
Because there has not been a diesel option to date, they have played down that explanation for the name UFO, and instead have promoted it as Universal Floorplan Option, because of the totally flat floor front and rear. OBTW, the designation UFO is really a marketing term because the "official" SPID code for this chassis is R26.
In my mind the UFO will be a failure ONLY if it is discontinued, not because it became a DP which it was originally susposed to be, via the optional diesel engines.
ED </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok... maybe a poor choice of words...at least we're on the same page.
Now, I could be wrong here, but it seems that the main attraction to the UFO, was having a rear mounted gas engine, no matter what the nickname stands for and was mainly the reason I used those words of failure and not because it was a fault with Workhorse engineering. Without the gas option is there a reason why it would be a better choice than most DP's? Cost maybe?
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