Workhorse! Please take notes on how Toyota is handling their recall!

[Spoonman]

This is going nowhere, enough!

[mythplaced]

Ok then, I will ask the question....

In the "multiple years" that this problem has been presenting, is there any evidence of WH/Navistar initiating any "effective" complete fix" (note that i didn't say interim repairs, or band aids) to "completely and accurately mitigate" the condition of "sticking pistons" (note my explicit words)

Regardless of any "spin" WH Navistar has not repaired "ONE single solitary vehicle" despite having knowledge of the cause for "several" years... This is NOT disputable..

The only "positive and complete " repair I am aware of was OEMy's customer making his own pistons..

And Mike, these diatribes are NOT personal, you are a valued resourse and should remain proud of what you do, I respect your position and tenacity (or as you have said elevenacity)

There are just several of us that take exception to the way WH/Monaco/Navistar treats their customers and the real risks to their safety, (as well as the safety of anyone else sharing the road with their vehicles) and this number is growing the longer this issue takes to get to completion.

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by Spoonman This is going nowhere...

√ It is significantly pushing the post count!

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by mythplaced Ok then, I will ask the question....

Thank you for the questions. We just got back from the movies and dinner with our grandchildren.

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In the "multiple years" that this problem has been presenting, is there any evidence of WH/Navistar initiating any "effective" complete fix" (note that i didn't say interim repairs, or band aids) to "completely and accurately mitigate" the condition of "sticking pistons" (note my explicit words)

Bosch has re-engineered the formulation of the piston and is releasing that product what seems to be in trickle quantities at the moment to Workhorse. This recall is intended to provide a "complete fix" since NHTSA has signed off on the fix. This new "NextGen" caliper will be the go forward product that will be supplied to all OEs. No one is going to buy into a inefficient design at this late stage and I hope that Bosch gets it right.

One of the questions I have is; Are "Nextgen" calipers currently being supplied to the industry for new builds since Bosch is not making the old caliper any more?

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Regardless of any "spin" WH Navistar has not repaired "ONE single solitary vehicle" despite having knowledge of the cause for "several" years... This is NOT disputable..

Neither WCC nor Navistar Corporation is in the caliper business. At what point the caliper anomally was recognized on RVs was when NHTSA released its findings. The Bosch calipers have always served well when used in commercial applications. I believe that calipers are engineered to meet vehicle weight ratings and not end use. There no such thing as multiple SKUs for the same caliper. With this recall we are seeing where a minority of vehicles has changed the way a supplier does business by calling for a complete redesign for the majority of vehicles that have not exhibited a problem.

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The only "positive and complete " repair I am aware of was OEMy's customer making his own pistons..

I agree, it is the 1st that I have seen.

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And Mike, these diatribes are NOT personal, you are a valued resource and should remain proud of what you do, I respect your position and tenacity (or as you have said elevenacity)

I do my best but some folks take the opportunity to vilify what ever I do here and its frustrating for me to provide answers and simultaneously take the abuse.

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There are just several of us that take exception to the way WH/Monaco/Navistar treats their customers and the real risks to their safety, (as well as the safety of anyone else sharing the road with their vehicles) and this number is growing the longer this issue takes to get to completion.

In the Gavaghan letter it states that it's going to take some time but Workhorse is trying to regain customer confidence in their products. Many of us are willing to allow the process to work itself out where some folks are irreconcilable and have no patience. I can understand the frustration however at this late date I am willing to allow this process to start and bring this situation to a successful conclusion.

[Spoonman]

Do not believe anyone is trying ti "vilify" everything you do here, just the constant smoke screen on the brake problems.

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by Spoonman Do not believe anyone is trying ti "vilify" everything you do here, just the constant smoke screen on the brake problems.

If you can catch me lying to the members and you have the proof to back up your statement then you should immediately point that out.

I don't do smoke screens as much as some folks do veiled innuendo. I believe that I am deliberate in providing facts that are in evidence in the public domain which are written by reputable authors.

I try very hard not to make this stuff up.

Nothing I expect will improve the language here until the fence which divides perception can be removed.

[mythplaced]

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Originally Posted by DriVer Nothing I expect will improve the language here until the fence which divides perception can be removed.

Mike, you are 100% correct...

That fence will NEVER be removed because..

Perceptions are reality!

And everyones perceptions are different...

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by mythplaced And everyones perceptions are different...

More importantly .. those perceptions are directly connected to the $Benjamines$.

[wa8yxm]

Wow, still passing gas on this... Though I do admit I kind of wonder when BOSCH is going to get the callipers out (As it were) I mean it's been over a year since they identified and announced.

Toyota, a couple of weeks ago.. Another engine problem was identified, as I recall (Shakey recall on this) this was a problem that could cause stalling in traffic.

Toyota has once again known about this for years... Covered it up as best they could and finally when it was exposed quickly announced the recall.

Workhorse... Made no attempt to cover it up... It took a while to properly identify the problem I do admit. but they made no attempt to cover it up.

[Al, Michigan]

I have a 2003 Mountain Aire, W/workhorse chassis. Does that mean I should have mine replaced?? Is it a re-call that the Co pays for?
Al, Michigan.

[DriVer]

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Originally Posted by Al, Michigan I have a 2003 Mountain Aire, W/workhorse chassis. Does that mean I should have mine replaced?? Is it a re-call that the Co pays for?

Al, You should have received am Interim Notice if you are the owner of record. Having received the Interim Notice you will see in the text that Workhorse will send you the Recall Letter when the campaign begins. If you are not the original owner you need to make sure that Workhorse knows that you own the vehicle.

To see if your vehicle is a part of the recall use this resource on the Brake Resource Center

Look down on the right side of the page (4 graphic boxes) for;
"Is my motorhome involved by the Workhorse voluntary brake recall."

Please enter your 17 digit Vehicle Identification Number. Your VIN will begin with 5B4.
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