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Old 05-13-2013, 07:11 AM   #1527
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Since not all SB's have Z-brackets installed from the factory I can't accept the reasoning that the second hole was there for those brackets. Some have moved holes and not installed the Z-brackets even when they had them to put back on. Also the forces placed on the SB and the attaching bolts are not side to side but in the direction of the SB movement which is up and down. Exactly why the Z-bracket is or is not used since 1999 is not clear in my mind. If it is really needed to prevent that bolt from coming out then use it all of the time. They will save a buck when they can. Corvette took the oil cooler off to save weight. Then the oil temperatures went up. So they changed to Mobil 1 and the temps went back down. Since then all vette's leave the factory with Mobil 1. What about the no grease fitting in vehicles starting years back?? To save a dime. Drop the Z-bracket to save a buck.

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The inside hole was there to mount the Z bracket, which I have.
What we're doing is changing something, that was never meant to be changed.
Look at the poll. The worst thing that can happen is you snap your bar. Aparently thats never happened.
I did the CHF on my MH and it was the best thing I have done. It made a 90% improvement. Even if the sway bar did snap you would still be able to drive it.

Mnflyboy, you should have seen the back bushings on mine. It looked like someone had taken a torch and melted them.
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For anyone new to the CHF who don't want to read 110 pages and over 1500 posts, check out the factoids on page 71, post #981 and a brief summary on page 86, post #1194. Pics of completed mods can be found here:

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No body was found, but I got a sneak peek at Dunner's attic and sorted aluminum back yard stock pile.







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Old 05-13-2013, 05:28 PM   #1530
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For anyone new to the CHF who don't want to read 110 pages and over 1500 posts, check out the factoids on page 71, post #981 and a brief summary on page 86, post #1194. Pics of completed mods can be found here:

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No body was found, but I got a sneak peek at Dunner's attic and sorted aluminum back yard stock pile.



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Being I have a lot of other stuff to do prior to our first trip I will wait until it is over to do the CHF. It actually did not drive as bad as I was expecting it to.
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And my wife accuses me of being a packrat
Throw it out, and you're gonna need it the next day. Had that happen many a times.

I made my extended sway bar links and trac-bar out of pack-ratted parts.



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Since not all SB's have Z-brackets installed from the factory I can't accept the reasoning that the second hole was there for those brackets. Some have moved holes and not installed the Z-brackets even when they had them to put back on. Also the forces placed on the SB and the attaching bolts are not side to side but in the direction of the SB movement which is up and down. Exactly why the Z-bracket is or is not used since 1999 is not clear in my mind.
I'll assume you may have misread my last post. In 1999 is when they changed the SB configuration from vertical holes in the SB to horizontal holes. At that time, they added a second hole for the Z brackets. This was to reduce shearing forces on the horizontal bolts. Evidently, about 2002, Ford decided the Z brackets weren't really necessary. So those years and beyond, Ford used the same bars but did not install the Z brackets and they aren't factory installed to this day. Those of us that did the CHF with early frames way back when, went ahead and re-installed the Z brackets (reversed) because we didn't realize it wasn't necessary. Mine are still on and I see no reason to remove them. Some folks who reslized this later, didn't reinstall them.
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I just went back and re-read the first 10 pages. My side is hurting from the good laugh.



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Since not all SB's have Z-brackets installed from the factory I can't accept the reasoning that the second hole was there for those brackets. Some have moved holes and not installed the Z-brackets even when they had them to put back on. Also the forces placed on the SB and the attaching bolts are not side to side but in the direction of the SB movement which is up and down. Exactly why the Z-bracket is or is not used since 1999 is not clear in my mind. If it is really needed to prevent that bolt from coming out then use it all of the time. They will save a buck when they can. Corvette took the oil cooler off to save weight. Then the oil temperatures went up. So they changed to Mobil 1 and the temps went back down. Since then all vette's leave the factory with Mobil 1. What about the no grease fitting in vehicles starting years back?? To save a dime. Drop the Z-bracket to save a buck.

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The CHF is nothing more then a fluke that works. Ford never intended for the second set of holes to be used for anything other then the support bracket. Jim invented the use of the holes, and it works and works good. Ford quit using the second set of holes, but never redesigned the bars without them. Thank you Jim.
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On my 1st long trip since doing the fix. From melboune fl to stephen f austin sp, tx. The handling is great. Get very minor push from 18wheelers that is barely noticeable unless i am battling a crosswind also. Got beat to death on the corduroy parts of I-10 in LA but still a happy camper. Any ideas for smoothing the ride? My bottom knows how those drivers in the covered wagons must have felt.
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Well the CHF is not going to do anything for "ride quality" as you found out. I have no experience with air bags, so all I can say is proper tire pressure and good shocks to smooth out the road.

I have always been one to tend to overinflate tires than under. On my way back from Fl last month, I decided to take a different route home. I-64 was so bad, I stopped and took 5 lbs out of the rears and 10 from the front. It certainly helped, but I ain't a gonna go that way again
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On my 1st long trip since doing the fix. From melboune fl to stephen f austin sp, tx. The handling is great. Get very minor push from 18wheelers that is barely noticeable unless i am battling a crosswind also. Got beat to death on the corduroy parts of I-10 in LA but still a happy camper. Any ideas for smoothing the ride? My bottom knows how those drivers in the covered wagons must have felt.
Two words for better ride. Koni shocks.
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Dunner,
I sure hope you got heavy duty sheet rock in that house, cause if not, one of these days well be seeing on the News " Arizona man was attacked by his falling ceiling while he lay in bed". Man was a little beat up from assorted stored items falling through, but nothing serious for a stay at the hospital.
Wife says, dont count your eggs just yet though, cause he may be back after we get home.
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Don, Isn't it fun to spend someone else's money?

Neil, it's a section over my garage, and I've thought the same thing. Some of that stuff has been up there for over 20 years.



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