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Old 03-14-2018, 12:07 PM   #1
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Factory track bar??

Took my 2014 Monarch Monaco 33' to Camping World to get a Safe-t-Plus steering assist and a rear track bar installed. Got a call from CW that there was already a factory track bar installed. So they gave me my money back, over 600 bucks. This coach is just evil to drive. It wants to dart right then left etc. Just will not go straight. Before Safe-T- plus install I had done the CHF to the front. Since the install I had an alignment done. Said they put shims in to correct castor. Nothing said about toe-in. Nothing done yet has given me a lot of confidence in the handling. The front CHF gave the most improvement. Today I did the rear CHF and have yet to test drive. But I saw NO rear track bar. I think I know what i'm looking for. Seen the video and so on. So my question is: is there a track bar I don't see or did Camping World tech not want to do the install??? By the way new 22.5 tires about a year ago.
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Ford didn't do a factory rear track bar. Can't miss it if there's an aftermarket it'll be right there on top of the diff to the frame rail.
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Maybe they thought you were referring to the factory installed sway bar?

You can find a trac bar here;

http://supersteerparts.com/

This is a picture of the trac bar, we installed on our chassis which is different;
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Yes that is what i paid for to be installed and they (CW) said there was already one there.
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Maybe they were referring to a front track bar.
Have you weighed your coach and set the tire air pressure to the correct PSI.
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2014 F-53 specs (link here, page "93" of the specs, page 4 of the PDF document) call out a front track bar as standard for chassis 18,000 and up, optional for the 16,000 chassis.

I'm wondering if CW knows the difference between a track bar and a sway bar.
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Checked invoice and it was for front. Poor communication. Ugh.
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Good news is. they gave you your money back.
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Just MHO!!! If I did what you did and got the same answer about there not being a TB that tells me the quality of technicians and I'd be happy they didn't install one.

Second point. If they thought you wanted one on the front and recognized you had one I'd call and ask the owner. "You have a front factory TB do you want one installed on the rear??" They already have your $600 so you must have wanted something.

Poor communication and technician customer service training. Run don't walk to a decent shop!!
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Run don't walk to a decent shop!!
And you're not likely to find one of those flying the CW flag.
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I think the guy at camping world doesn't know a track bar from a sway bar. Not a uncommon confusion - but should not be for a RV repair facility. Find another place to install the rear track bar.

BTW. I had a track bar installed on a previous coach with F53. Made a huge improvement.
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I installed my own, purchased from Henderson's. Any halfway competent mechanic could do it, it can be done parked in your driveway, no lift needed.

I didn't really detect much if any difference in our Baystar. Roll resistance is what a gas coach needs most. We had ours in Henderson's later for a full evaluation and they recommended shocks, Sumos, and an additional rear anti roll bar. Plus a supersteer. I got the impression we were being sold every product available and declined; we were thinking of a DP anyway by then.

By your description it sounds like the front alignment is off. Ours also was twitchy when the toe in was wrong.
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I installed my own, purchased from Henderson's. Any halfway competent mechanic could do it, it can be done parked in your driveway, no lift needed.

I didn't really detect much if any difference in our Baystar. Roll resistance is what a gas coach needs most. We had ours in Henderson's later for a full evaluation and they recommended shocks, Sumos, and an additional rear anti roll bar. Plus a supersteer. I got the impression we were being sold every product available and declined; we were thinking of a DP anyway by then.

By your description it sounds like the front alignment is off. Ours also was twitchy when the toe in was wrong.
And the toe in of typically 1/8-1/4" can be fairly easy to set on most truck chassis' using a standard tape measure and about 30-45 minutes.
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Not sure your source of information regarding the typical total toe. I had a semi tractor frame straightening/alignment shop perform our alignment. The RV had 700 miles and all major angles were off. They recommend a total toe of 1/16" on any tractor trailer or other rig using 22.5" tires. That's 1/32" for each side.

If all is well (no accidents) and no smacking curbs they get 150,000 miles on a set of steer tires. That sounds good to me.

Another shop (primarily semi's and tires) in town recommends exactly the same 1/16" total toe.
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