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01-16-2013, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rlouis5
I am sorry. I thought I had answered your questions. I could not find the inertia switch and I did look many times so I wired a new fuel pump directly to the battery with a switch inline. I did not know that the pump only ran for a second or two after turning on the switch so when I checked voltage at the fuel pump there was none.
The motor home is an Itasca made by Winnebago in 1993 but the title says it is a 1994 model. The motorhome is at the lake which is about 100 miles away from where I live. This makes it even more of a problem. I am not much of a mechanic but I do try everything that is suggested by you fellows..
thank you
Robert
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The information below is for a class "A" with an F53. If you have a class "C" with the E-series cut-away or a class "B" with the E-series please let us know so we can give you the right information.
Sounds like you have either a 1992 or 1993 F53. You can check for the year by the 10th character of the VIN. You can post it back here and we will tell you what year it is.
The the inertia switch would be in the same place as the photo above and the image below.
Here is a photo below of the self-test plug that you need to ground pin #6 and turn on the key and the fuel pump should run all the time the key is on.
Below is a photo of the locations of the Fuel Pump relay and the EEC power relay.
Your fuel wiring should be something like this:
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01-16-2013, 01:38 PM
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Hi Bill
Re: "Sorry I do not know what you mean by CM. To me CM is the memory inside the PCM"
It was CS Crank Sensor, but that probably doesn't affect the injectors does it?
Jim
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01-16-2013, 01:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LVJ58
Hi Bill
Re: "Sorry I do not know what you mean by CM. To me CM is the memory inside the PCM"
It was CS Crank Sensor, but that probably doesn't affect the injectors does it?
Jim
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He does not have a Crank Sensor as sutch but some call the PIP sensor in the distributor a Crank Sensor.
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01-16-2013, 09:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by subford
He does not have a Crank Sensor as sutch but some call the PIP sensor in the distributor a Crank Sensor.
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Oh Yeah, I forgot the 460's used a distributor..Thanks
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01-17-2013, 07:29 AM
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I have seen the female terminals in the relay connectors corrode and fail. If there is fuel pressure in the rail and it runs if you spray fuel into the intake one could assume that you have compression and spark. Previously stated a noid light would verify that there is no injector pulse. One can only assume that there is no pulse, concentrate on this.
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01-19-2013, 11:39 AM
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Wonder if rlouis5 was able to get his engine started
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01-20-2013, 05:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LVJ58
Wonder if rlouis5 was able to get his engine started
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I don't think so it is 100 miles away and he hasn't gone back out there yet .
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03-25-2013, 08:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LVJ58
Not a mechanic, but the OP says he has 45psi at fuel rail and when he sprays fuel into the throttle body and engine runs briefly, sounds like injectors not working so what would cause the injector failure, a drop in fuel pressusre while cranking, or somethine else..? Could a faulty TPS, CS or PCM have a negative effect on the injectors
Just curious Thanks,,
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The TP sensor can turn off the injectors ,if the PCM thinks the throttle is at wide open throttle .This could easily be the problem with this one .
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03-25-2013, 09:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Excell
The TP sensor can turn off the injectors ,if the PCM thinks the throttle is at wide open throttle .This could easily be the problem with this one .
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Very unlikely that it is the TP sensor. If the TPS would fail it would be an open to the TP wire. I do not see any way it could short between the 5 volt reference voltage and out put to the TP wire to give Full Throttle to the computer. The TPS gives three voltages levels to the computer. Closed Throttle and it can be anywhere between 0.6-1.0 volts, then Part Throttle is triggered @ 0.04 volts above Closed Throttle and Full Throttle is triggered @ 2.71 volts above Closed Throttle voltage.
The only way the computer would be seeing FT to stop the injectors as if the wires to the TP sensor were shorted together or the throttle plate was stuck full open.
The bypassing of the fuel system electrically could also mean the PCM Power relay is not giving power to the fuel injectors, computer and the fuel pump relay coil. This would be my guess and more than likely a bad fuse link.
He also would not tell us what kind of RV he has, a class "C" or a class "A".
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03-25-2013, 11:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by subford
Very unlikely that it is the TP sensor. If the TPS would fail it would be an open to the TP wire. I do not see any way it could short between the 5 volt reference voltage and out put to the TP wire to give Full Throttle to the computer. The TPS gives three voltages levels to the computer. Closed Throttle and it can be anywhere between 0.6-1.0 volts, then Part Throttle is triggered @ 0.04 volts above Closed Throttle and Full Throttle is triggered @ 2.71 volts above Closed Throttle voltage.
The only way the computer would be seeing FT to stop the injectors as if the wires to the TP sensor were shorted together or the throttle plate was stuck full open.
The bypassing of the fuel system electrically could also mean the PCM Power relay is not giving power to the fuel injectors, computer and the fuel pump relay coil. This would be my guess and more than likely a bad fuse link.
He also would not tell us what kind of RV he has, a class "C" or a class "A".
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What happens is the Tp sensor sticks ,doesn't follow the throttle back to
closed .I have only had this happen about six times in my 40 year career as a Ford mechanic ,but I have been wrong before and i am sure it will not be the last time .
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03-26-2013, 01:32 AM
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Check for power to each injector, You should have battery voltage when key is on thru the EEC relay. The pcm is very rugged with many safeguards built in and very hard to fry. The pcm gets a signal from dist on when to fire injectors and will ground one leg of the injectors so you should still have 12 volts to each while cranking. See if you can find a tech who has a scanner (does not matter make or age as long as a data stream can be read.) hook up and crank engine and you should see an RPM in the data. If not you have a problem in the distributor or its wiring. If you do, and you have 12 volts to each injector, check wiring from pcm to injectors. Again, I think you have a power problem to injectors as you get spark to run engine on carb cleaner or sprayed gas. I hope this helps!
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04-24-2013, 06:44 AM
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Similar problem
Hello, I'm a newby to this site and to RV'ing. My wife and I live in Madison, AL and are looking forward to get out and see this beautiful country.
I recently bought a 1996 Winnebago Vectra tag axel with a 460 Ford engine. It was running well until I let it sit for 2 months. I tried to start it and the battery was low (approx. 8v). I charged it and tried again to start it and it cranked very slowly. I put the charger back on to jump start it. It cranked well, but won't never start. I can hear the fuel pump running when I turn the key on and I detect an odor of fuel.
My limited mechanical know-how tells me it could be electrical. My question is this: Should I get an EEC IV code reader first to see what's going on, or are the other things I can do initially.
I am glad that I found this site and welcome any and all tips on what I should do. Thank you.
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04-24-2013, 08:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tek_ryter
I can hear the fuel pump running when I turn the key on and I detect an odor of fuel.
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Does the fuel pump run all the time the key is on with the engine not running?
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04-24-2013, 11:10 AM
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Yes. When I turn the key I can hear the pump.
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