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Old 06-07-2018, 11:17 PM   #1
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My Ford F750 Build sheet, more questions than answers.

F750 Build sheet showed up with more questions than answers, a trip to Detroit is in the making. Have to go physically look at these numbers. Local shops bombed out on build, local welder was right three days earlier, you have to go to Elkhart Indiana to find that shop. Found a shop in Elkhart for the build ticket.
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Front GAWR 12,000
Rear GAWR 23,000
GCWR 50,000
25 tons with no CDL, still digging data. Chassis is 6 months out in delivery, that is why I have to go to Detroit to even put my hands on the product. And ask questions.
Bidding farwell F53 chassis, really 50,000 GCWR of F750.
Ford F750, a better defense against American infrastructure.
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What is the question?

The typical gateway to require higher driver's license "Class" is 26,000lb GVWR, not GCWR (no, never a CDL- that's for commercial operators, not RV's).

The F650 has the numbers seen in most gas Class A's...those at or just below 26,000lb GVWR

The current F750 straight frame has a GVWR of 33,000lb (gas) and 37,000lb (Diesel)
See: https://www.ford.com/commercial-truc...traight-frame/

This measure is why Renegade, Toter, Showhauler, etc, build their beautiful "Super C's" on a Class 7 or 8 commercial truck's ( KW, Freightliner, etc).

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Old 06-08-2018, 11:40 PM   #3
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Thanks Kim & Steve, No less than 3 salesmen at Bergey's heavy truck, stated about staying below 26K. At one point I said enough, not anymore talk of CDL, I am blowing right on past it. 26K is only a limit that holds one back from designing & building what works for them. If I have to smash through the 26K glass ceiling, to be safe, and tow my 4 ton work van, so be it.

The F750 crew brings a lot to the table.
Air brakes, Air supported (springed steel) rear axle, manual positraction rear, over 12 inches of ground clearance. Think the tough conditions of deep BLM boondocking.

A full frame chassis through & through that sticks out the back 2 feet for the outdoor kitchen. A chassis that is designed to move the rear wheel set up or down the frame rail to put in perfect placement with my rear wheel base.

Granted, the crew cab will push the front wheels out 3 feet, cutting down my turning radius. But the turning radius is still very good with 144 inches hanging over the rear axle.

I am just getting into this math of a build, and need to go to Detroit and tour the factory to learn what I do not know to ask. So it is built with the least amount of customising by the shop in Elkhart Indiana that will do the body swap.

The design also incorporates a 6000 LB,suspension cushion defence against American infrastructure. Got WWF body slammed by bridge approaches and exits from bridges that sent the springs all the way to the stops.

That ends now.
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Are you gonna' build a motorhome on the truck, or use it to tow an RV?

For the F750 in PA, and towing anything rated up to 10,000lb GVWR, you'll need a Class B.
For the F750 in PA, towing any towable RV that exceeds 10K lb GVWR, you'll need a Class A.

Both are NOT CDL licenses...
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Go figure my luck, I am looking all over for a 2018 F750 to look at. And low and behold my neighbor right across the street, (tree guy) has a brand new F750 sitting in his yard all saddled up with a chip bin & boxes. Going to be walking over there tomorrow. It's not a crew cab, but enough to take a lot of measurements.

Scarab0088 I am taking the Tioga 29SL RV body off the E450, (sprung to a E550). Then re-installing the Tioga RV body onto a F750 chassis crew cab. Full frame through and through.

Pics and specs coming tomorrow.

Granted, right now I am nowhere near the capacity of the F750, but I want to grow, also two other matters, safety of the 22.5 tire & defence against American infrastructure.
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This thing is a beast, and just what I need.









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Never heard of an owner doing a Class C box swap, so best luck.

Just...please notice the F750 has a pick-up cab and your Class C is a Econoline van cab/chassis. Your current cab's roof is a large amount taller than the F750 but, it is easier to fill a gap than to correct overlapping major components.

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Yea, there is a lot of math to do, I did a full inspection of the Tioga body. And it is in very fine shape, has been garage kept only out 2 months a year. It is almost like "right" sizing this Tioga to a proper chassis that can take us deep boondocking in BLM. While giving us a 14 inch ground clearance.

The F750 crew cab is 77 inches wide and will bring the flat side walls down to just under 6 inches. The crew cab, will pull the large nose back almost to the top of the windshield. My height is 11,8, the F750 is 14 inches taller, that takes me to 12,10. If I take the 14 inch air conditioner off the roof that gets be back down to 11,8. Then mount a mini-split 18,000 BTU on the back of the Tioga, (As much as the Honda 3000 can do).

The "0" point in the alignment is butting the Tioga to the back of the F750 cab, while also laying the roof of the Tioga firm against the roof of the F750. Once that is level it still may be 3 inches from the frame. Make up trusses just like the factory does and space them out to the Tioga's 8 mounting points on both sides. Then weld them to the F750, then bolt them into the Tioga.

Got the titling with the state figured out yesterday, will be co-constructed title just like factory. Then inspected by the state, then re-titled under the 2018 Ford F750 Vin.
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Go figure my luck, I am looking all over for a 2018 F750 to look at. And low and behold my neighbor right across the street, (tree guy) has a brand new F750 sitting in his yard all saddled up with a chip bin & boxes. Going to be walking over there tomorrow. It's not a crew cab, but enough to take a lot of measurements.

Scarab0088 I am taking the Tioga 29SL RV body off the E450, (sprung to a E550). Then re-installing the Tioga RV body onto a F750 chassis crew cab. Full frame through and through.

Pics and specs coming tomorrow.

Granted, right now I am nowhere near the capacity of the F750, but I want to grow, also two other matters, safety of the 22.5 tire & defence against American infrastructure.
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Am I reading that weight ticket right? Your van weighs 6600lbs???
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Yea, your reading that right, and that is near empty, as far down as I could get it without taking out the seats. Everything light went in the van. RV is sprung to a E550, van to an E450, RV has 10K custom hitch that is 12 feet long. All towing rated to 10k. SMI/Demco active brakes, actually slows down faster with the toad than without it. ABS on toad, disabled,ABS on RV active.

Update on toad, is going in shop for rear upgrade next Tuesday, Dana 410 positraction with disc brakes.
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F750 Build sheet showed up with more questions than answers, a trip to Detroit is in the making. Have to go physically look at these numbers. Local shops bombed out on build, local welder was right three days earlier, you have to go to Elkhart Indiana to find that shop. Found a shop in Elkhart for the build ticket.
Ford 750 spec
Front GAWR 12,000
Rear GAWR 23,000
GCWR 50,000
25 tons with no CDL, still digging data. Chassis is 6 months out in delivery, that is why I have to go to Detroit to even put my hands on the product. And ask questions.
Bidding farwell F53 chassis, really 50,000 GCWR of F750.
Ford F750, a better defense against American infrastructure.
Have you used fleet.ford.com?
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I am just getting into this math of a build, and need to go to Detroit and tour the factory to learn what I do not know to ask.
Factory is in Avon Lake, Ohio.



But I think your neighbor's truck probably got you what you need?

And assuming you're going diesel? Must be as you quoted the diesel weight ratings?
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its a RV there is no CDL requirement on RV's. mine is built on a Kenworth Semi weighs 44k and a 16 year is legal to drive it, not a good idea but legal
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Thank You all that commented so far, this is a long road to hoe. And I am enjoying this build, Being that this time of year is the absolute worst time of year to buy/build an RV. I am going to concentrate my energys updating the RV before the swap. That was price #1 in that PDF, it took me to price #7 on the Tiffin build to get my number $138 for 36UA. Thinking I will find that same luck, right after Thanksgiving 2018. For a spring build in 2019, to a summer full time launch.
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