V10 vs Diesel

[Murf2u]

Originally Posted by reinerka

For Ford it does change the transmission as well and replaces a completely different engine (V8). On top the margins on options (and that includes the Diesel engine) are significantly higher than on standard features.

The new Chevy Colorado Diesel is below $4K (and includes several additional options and changes against the gas counterpart).

A Colorado? Seriously? Why not use a Volkswagen Golf as a comparison to a Motorhome drivetrain?

Originally Posted by reinerka

When you compare the Winnie (22R) it is an absolute entry model and priced like that. When you look at the View the inside us more upscale. That comparison is comparing apples and pineapples.

But if you read my post you'd know I didn't compare a 22R, that's why i said $80k, not the base $64k entry level unit.

Originally Posted by reinerka

Why do I see only Sprinter UPS vans then (unless it is an old UPS truck)?

I did say they are moving to, they are replacing the Sprinters because the bodies are rotting off them and the maintenance costs are so far above what MB said they would be.

Originally Posted by reinerka

Diesels aren't for everyone - that is also why they are an option in pickup trucks. However they do have other advantages (drivability) on top of fuel savings - the low torque curve is just one of them.

Reiner

But torque is just one tiny aspect of 'driveability', for instance, yes, the V6 MB makes it's full rated torque at just 1,600 rpm, unfortunately it doesn't make it full rated HP until 3,800 RPM (getting near redline) by which time that torque is down to just over half of that. HP is in the same boat, at that low point where it's making big torque, it's only making under half it's maximum.

Of course there's fuel savings, there's no magic wands in the engineering departments in Detroit. It's physics, it takes X BTU's of fuel to make Y horsepower. Period.

When you're comparing a 100 hp 3 litre V6 diesel putting down the highway versus a V10 of more than double that displacement I would hope it would get better mileage, but that has ZERO (practically speaking) to do with gas vs diesel.

Just look at the increase in fuel mileage with the similar sized Class C with a 5.4 litre V8 or the former Toyota based V6 units even more so.

[reinerka]

Murf2u,


I think we have to agree to disagree on Gas vs. Diesel. Diesel is not for everyone.


There are people that will never consider Diesel and others that will prefer Diesel - we obviously fall into the different groups.


Reiner

[Murf2u]

Originally Posted by reinerka

Murf2u,


I think we have to agree to disagree on Gas vs. Diesel. Diesel is not for everyone.


There are people that will never consider Diesel and others that will prefer Diesel - we obviously fall into the different groups.


Reiner

How about you agree that a lot of your comments in a "V10 vs Diesel" thread in the "Ford Motorhome Chassis" section relate to a completely different vehicle that is so far removed from the subject at hand as to be basically unrelated?



I for one absolutely consider diesel, I have a fleet of them in fact, in the lighter (on point category) we have scads of E & F 350's, numerous F450's & F550's and MB Sprinters.

We also have a bunch of V10's in vehicles that do <50k miles a year. The cost of purchase doesn't begin to make any sense below that 50k miles / year threshold is crossed.

Given the maintenance heartaches and the ridiculous rust issues, I will NOT be buying anymore Sprinters until they can fix the problems.

[nothermark]

Ditto on "consider". Get an equivalent diesel for roughly an equivalent price and then there is a real choice and a real discussion.