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Old 03-15-2012, 09:41 PM   #1
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Oil Dipstick Replacement

It was discovered that the oil dipstick tube on out 2005 Newmar KSDP motor home has completely melted and burnt through under the tube insulation.

The motor home has a Cummins ISC 8.3 330HP engine on a Spartan chassis.

I ordered and recieved a new dipstick tube and insulation from Spartan.

I am going to replace the tube myself and would like advice from anyone who has replaced a dipstick tube. I have general instructions from Spartan but would like more specific instructions.

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I hope Spartan gave you the proper length for your particular chassis configuration, or at least instructions on how to calibrate it. The dipstick & tube is generic and the length and bend is adjusted to match each chassis configuration. If it's not right, the "full" mark won't be in the right place.

If your oil is currently at the correct level, you can simply insert the new tube and stick until the oil level reaches the FULL mark. That's the easy way.

You would probably be better off asking this in the Spartan Forum, since the answer needs to be tailored to your chassis. I'll send you a message that will enable you to move it if you wish.
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I hope Spartan gave you the proper length for your particular chassis configuration, or at least instructions on how to calibrate it. The dipstick & tube is generic and the length and bend is adjusted to match each chassis configuration. If it's not right, the "full" mark won't be in the right place.

If your oil is currently at the correct level, you can simply insert the new tube and stick until the oil level reaches the FULL mark. That's the easy way.

You would probably be better off asking this in the Spartan Forum, since the answer needs to be tailored to your chassis. I'll send you a message that will enable you to move it if you wish.
The dipstick is the exact replacement. The old dipstick still had the part # sticker and the numbers are still the same. The number was varified by Spartan. Also, I just changed the oil and it was at the proper level.

The Plastic tube has a metal insert type connection for the engine block. The tube is not clamped or bolted to the block. Looks like a tight slip insert. I think it might be glued with Loctite.

I will try to start removing it today.

Thanks for your input,
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Hi Beowulf2,
This is a chronic problem with ISC engines. The engineer who designed the path for the dip stick tube should be made to install his design. That would teach him a lesson. This has happened to me two times. There is no room for the dip stick tube. It needs to be routed away from the exhaust manifold. That is not easy to do. The insulation they send may not be enough. Before you make the installation go to your local auto parts store with the insulation in hand. Tell them you want another piece. The last time, I had the insulation go from end to tend. Now there is no gap for any melting to start. I also routed the tube way away (with wire ties) from the exhaust manifold. When you get done with this job you'll feel like you've been water skiing all day.
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This is a chronic problem with ISC engines. The engineer who designed the path for the dip stick tube should be made to install his design. That would teach him a lesson. This has happened to me two times. There is no room for the dip stick tube. It needs to be routed away from the exhaust manifold. That is not easy to do. The insulation they send may not be enough. Before you make the installation go to your local auto parts store with the insulation in hand. Tell them you want another piece. The last time, I had the insulation go from end to tend. Now there is no gap for any melting to start. I also routed the tube way away (with wire ties) from the exhaust manifold. When you get done with this job you'll feel like you've been water skiing all day.
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Did you remove your dipsstick?

I made a megar attempt in removing the bad dipstick. I decided to have Cummins do the replacement. Cummins said that I can be with the mechanic while he is doing the work. The dipstick was installed between the exhaust manifold and the oil line to the turbo. I think that it can be installed on the outside of the turbo oil line and closer to the outside air pipe to the turbo. I am thinking of adding some reflictive insulation on top of Spartan insulation.

The Cummins mechanic may have some other ideas because he has replaced them before.
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Hi Beowulf2,
You are doing this the correct way. For me, the first time was when the coach was under warranty. A certified coach tech did the work. It lasted about 3 years and burned through again. The second time a certified Cummins tech did the work. I watched. He did what you suggested, without me mentioning anything. He also had extra insulation and ensured the insulation was covering the tube from top to bottom. He also ensured the insulation and tube are well secured so they will not move.
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I hope Spartan gave you the proper length for your particular chassis configuration, or at least instructions on how to calibrate it. The dipstick & tube is generic and the length and bend is adjusted to match each chassis configuration. If it's not right, the "full" mark won't be in the right place.

If your oil is currently at the correct level, you can simply insert the new tube and stick until the oil level reaches the FULL mark. That's the easy way.

You would probably be better off asking this in the Spartan Forum, since the answer needs to be tailored to your chassis. I'll send you a message that will enable you to move it if you wish.
Cummins replaced the dipstick when I got the old dipstick home the measurements were compared to the specifications from Spartan. The old dipstick tube is about 1" shorter than the new one. I'll have to recalibrate the new dipstick as necessary. I had been in contact with Spartan & Newmar about the dipstick but neither said that new one could be shorter.

If you have any other information I would appreciate it even after the horse got out.

I was not allowed to watch the tech replace the dipstick but I think he heated the tube and pulled it of the metal tube to the crank case and reversed the process during the insulation.

I also think that the dipstick cable could be extended.

I do want to make a comment about irv2 Forum. The forum provides a wealth of information and comments that I could not have found on my own.
For that I thank all Form contributers.

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Well as a follow up to the dip stick replacement. The dipstick from Spartan was an excect (GENERIC) replacement. As a result the plastic tube was about an 1" longer than the old tube plus the old tube was 1/2" of calibration. This made the new plastic tube 1 1/2" to long.

To correct the error I'm going to cut an remove enough of the plastic tube to bring the factory makings to the proper full level. The new tube will then be reconnected using the metal crankcase connecter. Old parts come in handy.

One quick note for any one buying a new dipstick from Spartan. Be sure to research and check if there is a dipstick KIT. A dipstick alone was about $95 but the kit was about $35 quite a difference.

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